Which is better Vista or XP?

[ichigosbankai7002]

Which do you think is better or works better in proformence wise?

Im my opinon I would have to go with XP over Vista all the way. The Drivers

for Vista are not what they are cracked up to be. I also think Vista is XP

in a window dressing with hardly any changes. The Number one thing

People have with vista is the drivers for the usb ports do not install

properly or they are not available. I would go with Xp, just for the fact that

you can do everything you need on it and on Vista you might encounter a

few problems.

[Pinay_Ellie]

Well,, I'm using XP ,, so yeah,,:o

and it works just fine :o:D

So,, XP is better [YEH]:D

[Xabre]

I would prefer XP, since it is much more compatible with everything and you can modify it to look like vista. I'm running on XP now and visually, it looks like Vista. SO why bother spending the extra money to upgrade to Vista when all it does is eat a whole gigabyte of RAM (or more) just for visuals and get nothing else?

[YoruichiToRukia]

I've got over 300 Wintel user machines I manage at work and except for two evaluation machines to test software compatibility (one Vista one Win2000) they all run XP Pro.

None of my staff or users want or like Vista, not even the ones who begged for it originally, in fact they have begged to go back to XP.
Even in our reasonably vanilla environment (no fancy or weird hardware but reasonably grunty machines ) we have issues with performance and drivers.

The desktops we buy are pre imaged to XP Pro by our suppliers but our laptops come with Vista and we blow them back to XP Pro straight away.

so yeh Vista blows chunks

[Jarter]

XP by far, vista makes things way to complex and is too easy to mess up. Keep it simple!

[spaxxor]

Which do you think is better or works better in proformence wise?

Im my opinon I would have to go with XP over Vista all the way. The Drivers

for Vista are not what they are cracked up to be. I also think Vista is XP

in a window dressing with hardly any changes. The Number one thing

People have with vista is the drivers for the usb ports do not install

properly or they are not available. I would go with Xp, just for the fact that

you can do everything you need on it and on Vista you might encounter a

few problems.

stay away from vista for another... i'd say about 1, maybe 2 years... here's why

windows vista is new, and when i say new it's brand new, 80% of vista is brand new. whilst windows xp when it came out was aboiut 8% new... yep that's right, microsoft threw out 20+ years of experience with windows vista. I'm a programmer, and white hat hacker. sure vista had it's downfalls, but so did everything microsoft ever made. give it time, and then (when they learn that drm only looses you money)get it. the driver issue is old, microsoft had it with every operating system they ever made, it was just less with xp becuase alot of nt 4.0 drivers worked on xp. it's also kind of the same here, xp drivers kinda work on vista, again give it time and vista will get close to the great os xp is.



oh as a side note, I got xp to run on a machine with a 200 megabit cpu clock, and 12 meg of ram. :D also, (since I'm a linux junkie) litestep (www.litestep.net) is a good shell replacement for windows xp, I'm beating it with a mallet to get it to conform with vista, but that's kinda ways off right now ^^; (if any of you need furnter explanations pm me and I will explain it better)

[squall987]

XP simply because Vista has compatability issues w/ so many applications.

[Hollow Alpha]

just like squall987 said XP is WAAAYY better than Vista, yet since its new,
the only good thing in Vista is its appearance when it comes to compatibility it sucks so bad but probably after some time it would be better than XP but not now... hehe

[Man Behined the mask]

XP all the way Vista is over rated

[joycee09]

I'm using Vista right now,
and it works fine and is I think faster than XP.

ciao

[nightwish]

Xp Pro

tried vista in two laptops and my main rig, found it was slow, resouce hog and I dint like its look at all.

so I took it off, and now im using Xp Pro, Win98, RedHat and DSL (linux) in my main, and Xp Pro/DSL in my laptop.

[XRattlesnake]

Definatetly XP, Vista still have problems with the security software.

[prengkeng]

:zaraki:i hate vista more than i hate a pc without an operating system....!!

vista sux.....

[wannabegod]

Vista is in no way faster than XP, vista just tells you to buy a faster PC so it seems fast ^^

[yeoman]

I'm using Vista Home now it work okay to me at the moment

[DarkDemon]

Really i cant say Xp or Vista because I havent had a chance to use vista yet. But really Vista has a few new things to add and Xp is just very reliable to everything since it has been around for awhile now. Vista is just a lil problem here and there which has been getting fixed.

But I will switch over to vista in prob another year because everything will be switched to vista by then :)

[joe4ever86]

Really i cant say Xp or Vista because I havent had a chance to use vista yet. But really Vista has a few new things to add and Xp is just very reliable to everything since it has been around for awhile now. Vista is just a lil problem here and there which has been getting fixed.

But I will switch over to vista in prob another year because everything will be switched to vista by then :)

This would seem to be the best bet to any new OS that comes out (Apple, Microsoft, etc). People should wait a year before switching to any new OS because by then the OS would be fine-tuned and updated. I've found out the hard way (my laptop has vista, but can't switch to Xp Pro because disc broke)

[Gonzo]

had vista..what a useless new software... all the programs i use for work and school can't run on vista..like Autodesk 3d Studio Max 9, Autodesk Maya 8.5, Zbrush 3.1, it wasn't compatable..i had to pretty much take it back..and ended up buying a XPS model with XP professional installed instead.. best choice i made..

found out too that to run vista..half your source of it is going to all the new features it has now....don't care to know them.. or be told them..

i did like it somewhat...don't get me wrong..

[Valekraft]

Well this is a complex answer.

First and Foremost... Vista is still in a pretty buggy state. I would wait until the release Service Pack 2 for Vista. When that happens it means the system is pretty much free of bugs.

Vista is a great OS if you have the resources to run it properly. It is a hog of resources so make sure you have a pretty large chunk of ram before you even get it.

XP is just classic, and nearly bug free at this point.

[AstaraelFantasy77]

Id have to say that they both suck, but well, im a mac user. If i had to choose i would pick xp any day of the week. Vista sucks it is to, for lack of a better word, horrible(annoying, uncompatiable..blah blah blah). There are too many things that need to be worked out before it can even be useable, maybe ill come back in like ten years and just maybe it will be something worth buying.

[DarkDemon]

Id have to say that they both suck, but well, im a mac user. If i had to choose i would pick xp any day of the week. Vista sucks it is to, for lack of a better word, horrible(annoying, uncompatiable..blah blah blah). There are too many things that need to be worked out before it can even be useable, maybe ill come back in like ten years and just maybe it will be something worth buying.

Really you cant say something sucks because of the fact that it is still new and buggy. Thats kinda like me when I beta test a lot of games it might suck now because they havent brought everything out in the game till maybe the release stated part of the game.

It takes a lot of time to beable to come out with a good OS and really microsoft (being as noisey and selfish) they are, make some of the best software.

Vista really is just XP that is just remastered with today's new things really. Thats all they do when microsoft makes new software. They take there old software (in this case XP) and added some new features and some other things to enchance everything. But really when doing that you have to do it right so there is no problems with it. Which normally takes a year or so to get it almost done perfect.

So just give it time and I can reasure you that almost everyone will be using vista sooner or later :)

[syirarock]

I'm using Vista at the moment. It's good but it suck about software. I hate it. It still new so it will be better after one or two years from now? Not really sure. I really hope I can use XP back :(

[anime-niac]

My laptop has Vista on it. While it does serve my purposes, I still prefer XP. The security warnings, while helpful, become a big pain over time.

[Tamika]

XP is what I have on all my computers, I even had to wipe Vista off my laptop and put in XP because my computer geek didn't like Vista and even after I did a little scanning on Vista on the web, I just didn't like what I saw and had Vista wiped clean.
Maybe in another six years, Vista's bugs will have been cleaned out and it works just fine and dandy but why in the bloody world would they upgrade the XP system to something that had bugs galore in it. My friend, the computer geek could not even get her 3D programs to run on Vista, that's how bad Vista is. Programs that you would download impossible to download because Vista was taking too much RAM and left you with very little if anything.
Sorry Vista, you are not the best thing out there since sliced bread, XP is and it is here to stay in our systems.

Tamika

[delton]

for now i think XP is stil better..
im using vista, dunno y somtimes oways lag....

[grimwald]

for now the current xp is better than vista in many ways just like there are programs that are not yet supported by windows vista cause it's new and the current vista as of now has bugs yet to be fixed but there is no doubt that the vista is a faster OS than XP

[hisagilove]

I don't know much about computers, but I have vista on a desktop and a laptop and xp on a laptop. I much prefer xp. Vista completely kills any songs you download instead of buy. Its rather irratating.
Though, I do love the way vista looks LOL.
~Mika-chan

[Dubtiger]

Vista works fine for me. True, Vista does have compatibility issues, but it contains more powerful machines, along with tighter security. Plus, Vista contains a feature that would record issues with your programs, and searches online automatically for possible updates. (I find that nice... Helped me discover that I was missing codecs for video upload sites)

I suggest staying with XP for a few more years, then upgrade to Vista. The situation is like when XP is the new thing - issues, people hate it, then now... XP dominates computers (practically... No offense, Mac users). Soon, everything big will run only on Vista, and everyone will be forced to upgrade.

[sazzuke]

Vista rite now too many bug an not support some software... I'used it before but change back to XP... maybe after 2 3 years I switch back to vista..

[Patah]

Yeah and vista now still is not compatible with certain online game so i stick with window XP coz i'm an online game maniac. Bwahahaha:byakuyab:

[karuharu]

i like xp better but im sure vista will get better give it time

[archangel1756]

I have XP. From what I heard Vista is a lot more difficult and complex to use.

[fr0z3n]

I'd Say XP. I'm using XP right now. I have Vista on my Laptop, and Mac on my Laptop, though Vista is probably slowest of them all. Vista is loaded with too much visuals. It looks reallyyyyy good but takes up a wee lot of RAM. XP mainly relys on performance.

[ichiuryuu]

i would say that beginners would love to have Vista but i do think advance users would prefer to use XP, I, for one, prefers XP than vista cause i can easily manipulate my files using XP while in Vista it seems it's not hassle free >.< that's only my opinion... :hitsugaya:

[tensa-zangetsu]

once you get used to vista(2-3 wks) it becomes familiar and alot easyer to use, for 1 it has faster computer serches(not internet but like the computer search when ur lookin for a file), 2 it has features that make things much easyer to use,3 just like firefox it gets much easyer to use when ur doing specific things, so overall i think vista has a 8/10 and xp has a 7/10 compatibility is a big thing and for the most part once you get good with vista it becomes very easy

[Nameless one]

XP is far better than Vista. Xp has had most of its kinks worked out if not all, but Vista has more bugs than a medieval church. That's alot of bugs...

[amarcus]

Okay, I work as an IT Professional, I am also CompTia and Microsoft Certified (MCSA)..

XP is wayyyyyyyy better than Vista (which is just a MAC "Tiger" knock off). XP does consume a lot of your processor, Vista ENGULFS it, this is why Vista is basically an OS for Duo Core processors.

I have seen the latest MAC release "Leapord".. I am about to get a MAC. The OS is smooth, and no lag time (freeze ups).

[Yachiru11232]

I have Vista right now and I'm not liking it. It's not all that, my old computer which I think had XP was way better. Vista has all these programs the you gotta pay for after using it a certain amount of times. Those programs are the mircosoft word and the other microsoft products. So XP is what I would go with. Vista should go in the garbage alot of people have problems with it and even want there money back I want my money back if it wasn't for the fact I didn't pay for it my parents did.

[hanshi]

i just got a new computer last week and i now have vista now.

i havent had a single problem with vista and i prefer it to xp.

i have only had it for a short time though so it might be a little to early for me to know

[Cerique]

XP on most counts, Vista isn't brilliantly supported at this point in time. However, that's what people said about XP when it first came out. xD

[Tehmk]

XP is more secure since 2 SP's have come out and SP3 is soon to be released.
Vista is more future-proof and flashier though and it has got DX10 which most new games use.

[Alyss]

I miss XP, but I guess Vista's ok, though there are a lot of programs that can't be run and I'm trying to enjoy the other features of Vista

[angeleyes]

-Added poll- :)

[lovitas]

XP is 1000.times better than vista....vista is so bugguy

[joe4ever86]

XP is more secure since 2 SP's have come out and SP3 is soon to be released.
Vista is more future-proof and flashier though and it has got DX10 which most new games use.

I hope you know that SP3 is a hoax, its fake. SP3 is full of bugs and is unessecary for XP owners. SP2 is as good as it gets, its awesome. Vista ATM is full of bugs and is laggy. I should know, I have Vista on my Laptop and I hate it :mad:

[kenta-sama]

we jus bought a computer that had vista on it and it jus stop working completly N we had to pull this old computer out of the back of the closet N dass wat im ising now but once we get our other computer back ima B making all types of banners N stuff...YAY

[Ervis3h18]

im an IT and i have to say that XP is the best for any use
vista has the cool effects but you can get those on xp too
a cool new OS is server2008 better then vista
i have installed that on one of my test machines and i love playing around with it
in the end XP wins

[sinny777]

XP all the way man...so much easier to use and everything works good...I dual boot XP and Vista (pirated vista, I'll pay for it when they fix it. After spending close to $3500 on a computer, I don't feel like paying another $300+ to make it useless) The only reason I have vista is DX10...I have a super gaming rig and i want Crysis to look as good as possible...Unfortunately as of Jan. 1st 2008 Microsoft is completely dropping XP and all support for it...they are trying to force vista on us now...oh well...theres always Linux...

[Nameless one]

XP all the way man...so much easier to use and everything works good...I dual boot XP and Vista (pirated vista, I'll pay for it when they fix it. After spending close to $3500 on a computer, I don't feel like paying another $300+ to make it useless) The only reason I have vista is DX10...I have a super gaming rig and i want Crysis to look as good as possible...Unfortunately as of Jan. 1st 2008 Microsoft is completely dropping XP and all support for it...they are trying to force vista on us now...oh well...theres always Linux...

Linux is good. I love their mascot! Tux the penguin interactive droid interface thingy ftw!

[Assign]

I'm using Windows XP SP2 because Windows Vista has so many bugs in it right now. There are so many programs that aren't compatible with Vista right now it's not even funny.

[hanshi]

i just got a new computer last week and i now have vista now.

i havent had a single problem with vista and i prefer it to xp.

i have only had it for a short time though so it might be a little to early for me to know

i posted that a couple weeks ago and since then i have changed my mind about vista. Now that i am trying to run some games on my new comp(orengebox) i am getting a ton of display driver errors because when the fps drops below a certain point, vista kicks in and reboots your display driver and causing the screen to go black. I am sure that microsoft will be able to fix problems like this but it is really anoying and at the moment i think that XP is better

[Assign]

Trust me, your life would be alot easier if you switched back to XP Vista has to many bugs at this point.

[xsoul_societyx87]

I have windows Vista and I must say that there are alot of things that I do not like about it. Overall I liked xp better. Alot of games and programs I have are not vista compatible.

[enpc]

XP for sure. i like to keep my ram for doing things other than running the operating system. plus i dont really want to rely on an OS that i could put into a perpetual blue screen of death by just running standard windows applications. it would be good if u could gut it and get rid of a bunch of visuals to free up ram useage.

[BLEACH(:]

i'm using XP now and i think it's quite fine. although vista is newer but i'd prefer XP.

[sinny777]

When I do run vista, sitting on the desktop alone eats away 25% of my resources...and thats with a 3Ghz quad-core, 4 Gb of ram and two XFX 8800 Ultra's in SLi...thank god for dual boot...

[danieldosia]

i posted that a couple weeks ago and since then i have changed my mind about vista. Now that i am trying to run some games on my new comp(orengebox) i am getting a ton of display driver errors because when the fps drops below a certain point, vista kicks in and reboots your display driver and causing the screen to go black. I am sure that microsoft will be able to fix problems like this but it is really anoying and at the moment i think that XP is better


Well i installed Vista and i used it for 1 month so far, i also installed orangebox on it (for team fortress 2 mostly) it works perfectly so microsoft doesn't have to fix vista, you just have to install the drivers that work best and have vista up to date. I have a 8800GT Gainward graphics card with the latest drivers 169 (i played teamfortress 2 with both 167 and 169, no problems whatsoever)

Vista is way better than XP. You all say that it suck, well it doesn't xp sucks because it gets viruses from all over the places even tough you have 1 or 6 antivirus prgrams. In this month (i have them both installed) in XP some games and photoshop crashed, unlike vista, which i had no problem with. I didn't have any driver problems, any crashes, any compatibility issues, nothing it works perfectly so stop complaining about it. It is faster, looks better, and is more capable than XP. One thing that i agree with all of you who say that Vista sucks, it needs alot of resorces, i have 4gb of ram and vista uses from 1.03 to 1.3 gb of ram, about the power of the procesor, i doesn't need a very powerful one, i have an intel q6600 and with only Vista and other background aplications it uses arround 3 to 4 % of the processor sometimes even 2%

[enpc]

yeah, but vista is kinda like mac in the virus aspect. there are no viruses because everybody couldnt be bothered making them. nobody really cares about them. and with vista, they just figure it already has enough problems.

[hanshi]

Well i installed Vista and i used it for 1 month so far, i also installed orangebox on it (for team fortress 2 mostly) it works perfectly so microsoft doesn't have to fix vista, you just have to install the drivers that work best and have vista up to date. I have a 8800GT Gainward graphics card with the latest drivers 169 (i played teamfortress 2 with both 167 and 169, no problems whatsoever)

Vista is way better than XP. You all say that it suck, well it doesn't xp sucks because it gets viruses from all over the places even tough you have 1 or 6 antivirus prgrams. In this month (i have them both installed) in XP some games and photoshop crashed, unlike vista, which i had no problem with. I didn't have any driver problems, any crashes, any compatibility issues, nothing it works perfectly so stop complaining about it. It is faster, looks better, and is more capable than XP. One thing that i agree with all of you who say that Vista sucks, it needs alot of resorces, i have 4gb of ram and vista uses from 1.03 to 1.3 gb of ram, about the power of the procesor, i doesn't need a very powerful one, i have an intel q6600 and with only Vista and other background aplications it uses arround 3 to 4 % of the processor sometimes even 2%

I think that it is my graphics card that is causing the problem but i ran the same game on an xp with the same peripherals and i had no problem at all.

And i know that my drivers and vista are all up to date because i check for updates everyday.

[d_razor]

I had xp then i upgraded to vista but didn't like it because its way to incompatible so i changed back to xp.

[fr0z3n]

Really, it depends. Using XP, the less graphical it is, the faster it should go. But for Vista, since it has a load of Graphics, it takes a load of RAM and GB with it. But if your computer had around 2GB RAM and 120GB Hard Drive, Vista should run perfectly. XP, if you had only 40GB and 256RAM, it would still run perfectly. I'm running on XP, but plan on switching to Vista, since XP is soon going to die out.

[enpc]

once a few service packs have come out, it wont be as bad. it will be much better if u could just disable a heap of the graphics, and set it up XP style. that way u wouldnt use up anywhere near the ram.

[Wizard archer]

For the moment, I prefer XP waaaay much than Vista, although Linux rocks :D
Vista has several things that disadvantages him, such as the whole lot of useless visuals that eat lots of RAM, adding to it the light changement to .exe's root. For that root day will come that IT businessmen will make programs incompatible with XP so that they oblige us to use vista (or the one that comes next... - well, in everything cash "rules") but I don't know very much about the cause of that changement of root...

[jasinjildo]

VISTA is crap. (For us who can't afford computers with alot of ram or a Core 2)
(Altough it looks alot cooler than XP)

If you do get viruses on you XP,
STOP GOING TO NAUGHTY SITES.
or learn HOW to download bootleg stuff the right way.
or stop opening random emails...

I mean vista is ok, only if you have a nice computer....
but I'd rather stick to xp since it's more compatible with the stuff I get..

[nightwish]

VISTA is crap. (For us who can't afford computers with alot of ram or a Core 2)
(Altough it looks alot cooler than XP)

If you do get viruses on you XP,
STOP GOING TO NAUGHTY SITES.
or learn HOW to download bootleg stuff the right way.
or stop opening random emails...

I mean vista is ok, only if you have a nice computer....
but I'd rather stick to xp since it's more compatible with the stuff I get..
/agree totaly.

People who get viruses cant blame their OS, they have to blame themsleves for being stupid.

[Gundamgrl]

My laptop is vista but my desktop computer is XP and I'm more used to XP, so vista is new to me

[NeedForHelp]

XP is BETTER
VISTA THE RAM EATER!!!

[Leese]

xp is definately a lot better

[russiandobby]

xp much better, vista eats too much space for useless junk.

[esufuru]

im using vist atm but thinking of switching to xp.
cz vist is much slower. so yeah, xp is better. :D

[Bozza023]

i use vista and i reckon that it slows down the computer...so i'd say xp is better...:)
the only thing i reckon vista is good is the visuals and thats about all.....;)

★ BozzA ★

[nightwish]

i use vista and i reckon that it slows down the computer...so i'd say xp is better...:)
the only thing i reckon vista is good is the visuals and thats about all.....;)

★ BozzA ★
XP can look like vista and act 10x faster with under 30 mins of work. (unless your on 56k.)

[benhur99ph]

Nightwish is right ... use window blinds .... or if you really want your XP to look Vista in every possible way .. Use VTP8 (Vista Transformation Pack 8) --- good stuff ... it will do the job -- transparency and all ... and if you are thinking about the Flip feature ... download and install TopDesk .. it does the job fine ... :mayuri:

[anime_gal]

I would prefer XP, since it is much more compatible with everything and you can modify it to look like vista. I'm running on XP now and visually, it looks like Vista. SO why bother spending the extra money to upgrade to Vista when all it does is eat a whole gigabyte of RAM (or more) just for visuals and get nothing else?

I'll say the same thing. Vista looks better, XP works better. So the best combination would be XP looking like Vista. That way, you get the best of everything :)

[Bozza023]

theres really nothing good about vista then......

cos like u can make xp look like vista and work better too!

★ BozzA ★

[robe_genious1]

I use both and I don't like vista because of its limited compatibility. XP has never given me any troubles of any kind, instead it has been great. Maybe when vista's service pack is out it'll fix the compatibility problems and it might just get better. But still performance-wise prefer XP.

[Dubtiger]

I use Vista, and there are a few kinks that still need to be ironed out. XP is better, right now.

[russiandobby]

visat is prettier but xp is better, but if you are a gamer then you need vista like an air.

[Bozza023]

vista only has Direct X 10 rite?

★ BozzA ★

[Lungz]

XP... why going to all the trouble with vista when you can install vista-like theme for xp?!

[benhur99ph]

I read somewhere that someone is developing or porting directx 10 to xp.... I just dont know if they have successfully done it yet. :mayuri:

[Bozza023]

thats awesome!!

is there anything i can do to speed up vista or is it just dead junk...?:D


★ BozzA ★

[kaizoku king]

I think XP is the best.

[benhur99ph]

thats awesome!!

is there anything i can do to speed up vista or is it just dead junk...?:D


★ BozzA ★

Just yesterday... someone made a presentation at the office and his laptop was installed with vista.... he is showing us the software that he and his team made and every 10 or 15 seconds, the dialog for dial up connection or something pops up.. repeatedly... The more I see vista .. the more I don't want it... hehe :mayuri:

[viken]

I have vista running on my laptop and it aint an easy ride.
The compatiblity rate of vista with the common day to day software is close to zero. It has compatibility issues that range from pluto to earth(not literally).but for the case of reduce errors and system crushes i would prefer vista over xp. but for day to day running of different arrays of softwares and PC games i would say windows xp rules

[Dokuzon]

Ya XP over vista anyday. Why? 1: you need 2x more computer power to run stuff on Vista 2: Vista is still kina buggy and 3: no compatable software

[va9rant]

I found this article and hope the info will be good for the rest of us:

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/143608/test_results_does_sp1_fix_vista.html

:hollowichigo:

[sushil]

oh ! you mean vista is better than xp, anyway i like xp . it's good for me,by the way what you using now,i hope vista....:rolleyes:

[oooYeh]

vista is a cool one but the thing i hate abt vista is we ant use some softwares and programmes if we're using vista...so i guess xp is better than vista...buti like vista theme though....anyways xp is the best:D

[ranmataro]

do you even need to ask? XP! Vista is a horrable program, its so unstable i cont even tell you how many times our vista computer has crashed

[ph15h]

Vista has the Same exact complaints that XP got when it was released. If you bought a new PC, you shouldn't have any problems and Vista Should run faster than XP with the correct set up.

People are saying its like ME, but ME was horrible. People that say otherwise are just jumping on the Vista Bashing Bandwagon.

[Szayel_apporo]

I have Vista and it sucks. No programs are compatable with it or they have some type of problem with it so ya i voted Xp..... i miss my laptop with Xp
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Vista has the Same exact complaints that XP got when it was released. If you bought a new PC, you shouldn't have any problems and Vista Should run faster than XP with the correct set up.

People are saying its like ME, but ME was horrible. People that say otherwise are just jumping on the Vista Bashing Bandwagon. Ya my dad who is way more into computors than me said the exact same thing and its true but nonetheless as of right now Vista SUCKS

[Shooler19]

Not everyone can install Vista because of hardware. But vast majority of today's computers can operate Vista (2GHz Core2Duo & 2GB RAM is required for best performance). I prefer using XP - easier to use. In Vista there are too many facilities that are not used by average user.

[Emotionless Assasin]

Having tried both of them, I think Vista is not worth a cent upgrading to. Microsoft has deluded us again. . .

[archangel1756]

XP all the way! Vista is so much more complicated than XP. That's why I prefer XP.

[weeman515]

Vista is the best....well for me that is it runs alot faster and when you get it down its great:D

[26111990]

Hello every body
For me I think the windows xp is better than vista.
Windows Vista come with the new look and best
graphic than xp but it need the hight speed PC to
run it. It doesn't support the DOS full screen mode.
Windows XP is faster than vista and easy to use.
If you want to be better look use any style appz like
style xp or windows blind.
this just my idea.
thank!

[benhur99ph]

You are right 26111990! The only plus side tha vista has over xp is its look. Which can easily be matched or even surpassed by xp if you use the right apps. Window blinds, stardock apps, and others. :mayuri:

[aveLc]

well..i'm using XP now..it's fine..no problem^^..i dont noe bout vista..probably vista is better..^^

[Tgirl08]

Xp is way better. But Microsoft even said it was a flop. They just announced that Windows 7 is in the making, and there is 1 legit copy floating around with 2 duds on bit torrent. I found the article on Gizmodo.com

[reaper671]

I can see why people think that vista sucks, but from a repair standpoint, its way better. All i do at my job is fix the computers that people break. all the machines that i fix for virus and spyware are xp machines, if you have vista properly configured, you will have far fewer problems. its been out for over a year now and i have only had to repair 4 or 5 vista machines compared to hundreds of xp machines. nearly all of the drivers issues are taken care of and the only programs that i have seen that wont work on vista are the ones that are too old anyway or there is a new vista version available. I use all the major operating systems at my house, i have an xp machine, an osx machine, a linux box and a vista machine. guess which one breaks the most? the xp machine, followed by the mac and vista, and i havent actually had to fix the linux one before. so in closing, vista is better than xp and linux rocks.:D

[Tgirl08]

Well, vista's probably great for bad computer users like me. :p who like to go all over the internet and dowload crap opening up their computer for bad stuff. I hate how I allways have to allow crap, even to cut and paste. I think there is a way to fix it. And it is a resource hog... I know computers are faster to handle it.. but it would be even faster without it! Windows 7 is apparently the same as vista exept with a butt load more features. and it also comes with a light version as well. all though that's second hand information. I also hate how I have to always get patches for the games I enjoy playing that were only just made in 2006. That's not that long ago. My husband owns his own tech company and is a Senior Network and System Administrator for a fortune 100 company, and doesn't really like it either. But I couldn't tell you why cause I don't really know crap about that stuff. ;)

[bleniioy]

vista=bug, still go for XP

[reaper671]

I hate how I allways have to allow crap, even to cut and paste. I think there is a way to fix it. And it is a resource hog...

That feature is the user account control (UAC), its easily disabled and can improve the speed and performance of the vista machine if you do disable it. but since you said you like to do bad things on the internet its probably best if you leave that guy on ;)

one thing you can do for a performance increase is enable the second core of your processor during startup. its meant for dual processor systems but the dual core and quad core work with the option and you can turn it on easily, hit start, type in msconfig in the search box, choose boot, and then advanced options, click the check box for number of processors, and select the max number it allows. apply and exit and then restart the machine and you should see a difference in boot time. if you feel you have adaquate protection from virus and spyware, you can disable user account control and it will speed you up even more.

please be careful though and dont go fiddling around in msconfig if you dont know what your are doing.

[Tgirl08]

Thanks for the info. We're behind a great firewall but i take my laptop everywhere so can't turn that stuff off. And yeah, i'm a bad user, but i can't use this for games so don't matter to much to me. I really like the gui in it. But I like playing my games on an xp machine. :0 Then we have a mac for downloading. yeah.. i know no messing around in there. lol. My man is always fixing crap for me. I think he's reloaded windows about 6 times in the last 2 years for me. ha ha ha. Just a normal user I suppose. But I get around :)

[shinigamimaster]

Vista is D BEST!~~~~!!!!!!!!

I already tried XP and it was SUPER weak.... Vista is a lot more cooler and pwns!

[Metaforte]

O never had used a vista, so my vote goes for XP.

I also heard that VIsta isnt all that great.

[Evilteddybear97]

The college I go to has a program set up that gives every incoming student a laptop as part of tuition which can be turned in for a new one every two years. We've been getting IBM's loaded with XP for the last few years but this year they started switching them over to Vista and you would not believe what some of my classmates would go through to avoid getting Vista. I personally believe that Vista is the sign of the coming apocalypse! :p

[jessaXshinigami]

hmm we have both in here but xp is more user friendly i think..

[brightparis]

I prefer to work in Xp only. I don't like Vista .................totally sucks.

[MMMM9]

I would prefer XP, since it is much more compatible with everything and you can modify it to look like vista. I'm running on XP now and visually, it looks like Vista. SO why bother spending the extra money to upgrade to Vista when all it does is eat a whole gigabyte of RAM (or more) just for visuals and get nothing else?
I use a Vista but I have to side with Xabre-taichō. Vista dose eat memory up>-< other than that Vista is a fine for me;)

[Edgar1371]

vista is pretty cool and most new computers come installed with em
it dont matter which program u like they both run well

[windjammer]

as the time goes by, seems that Vista couldn't create something as big as XP have already made...XP is more user friendly as well...it's back to the drawing board for the microsoft software engineers and bill gates of course!! :D

[ichigosbankai7002]

What we need instead of Vista is this....

Windows 7 (formerly known as (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames) Blackcomb and Vienna) is the working name for the next major version of Microsoft Windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows) as the successor to Windows Vista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7#cite_note-1) Microsoft has announced that it is "scoping Windows 7 development to a three-year timeframe", and that "the specific release date will ultimately be determined by meeting the quality bar."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7#cite_note-zdnet592-2) Windows 7 is expected to be released sometime in 2010.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7#cite_note-3) The client versions of Windows 7 will ship in both 32-bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit) and 64-bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit) versions.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7#cite_note-zdnet592-2) A server variant, codenamed Windows Server 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_7), is also under development.
Microsoft is maintaining a policy of silence concerning discussion of plans and aspirations for Windows 7 as they focus on the release and marketing of Windows Vista,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7#cite_note-Speculation-4) though some early details of various core operating system features have emerged. As a result, little is known about the feature set, though public presentations from company officials have disseminated information about some features (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7#Features). Leaked information from people to whom Milestone 1 (M1) of Windows 7 was shipped also provides some insight into the feature set.




More info on it right here.....


Windows Seven now has an official ship target — 2010.
At Microsoft’s Global Exchange (MGX) annual sales conference in Orlando (http://micromiel.com/2007/07/20/bye-bye-bill-gates/) this week, Microsoft shared a bit more — albeit at a high level — on Windows Seven, according to a copy of a slide deck I saw that was distributed to the field sales force during the conference. Among the information shared was that Microsoft is anticipating it will take at least three years from now to get the next version of Windows client out the door.
Last time anyone got Microsoft to talk dates about Windows Seven, the next big Windows client release, a Windows exec slipped up and said something about 2009 (http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=253).
Microsoft officials told MGX attendees that the company is currently internally planning Windows Seven. So far, the company has determined Windows Seven will come in both 32- and 64-bit flavors. No word on how many SKUs or any kind of guidance on features was provided, but Microsoft did say it would address both consumer and business segments with Windows Seven. Microsoft is mulling the concept of how to extend Windows Seven with subscription-based services, according to the deck — more like Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack (MDOP), which Microsoft currently offers to its Software Assurance customers, than Windows Live, however.
(MDOP builds on top of the Windows Vista Enterprise Centralized Desktop SKU — also only available to Software Assurance volume licensees. It includes: asset inventory, SoftGrid application virtualization, diagnostics and recovery toolset, advanced group-policy management and desktop error-monitoring capabilities.)
Maybe this talk of extending Windows with certain Software Assurance-only subscription services is what spurred the Gartner Group to predict this week that Microsoft plans to make Software Assurance mandatory (http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/07/20/225664/gartner-ms-subscription-licence-may-become-mandatory.htm)? Not sure….
Before Microsoft delivers Windows Seven, it plans to roll out an update to its current MDOP offering, Vista Service Pack 1 and then another MDOP update, according to the deck. Microsoft made no dates — tentative or otherwise — available for these planned releases via the deck.
Microsoft officials confirmed the veracity of this Windows Seven information. (I know! Shocking! Right after I spent the week dinging them for increasing opacity (http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=587)!)
The long version of Microsoft’s statement, courtesy of a Windows client spokesperson:
“As part of our ongoing outreach to enterprise customers and partners, Microsoft has begun sharing plans for how they will continue to deliver value to businesses in the future, including Software Assurance customers in particular. As part of this, we are sharing some preliminary information on Windows ‘7’ — the internal name for the next version of the Windows Client OS — as well as updates on other future Windows-related releases such as the Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack. Microsoft is scoping Windows ‘7’ development to a three-year timeframe, and then the specific release date will ultimately be determined by meeting the quality bar. In the meantime, Microsoft is dedicated to helping customers deploy and get the most business value from their PCs using Windows Vista and related technologies like the Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack, and we’re encouraged by the response and adoption of these products so far.”

[weeman515]

Yeah i love my vista sure its hard to get at first but when you get it down its sweet.

[ichimaru86]

The best operating system is........[suspence]...........WINDOWS XP PRO !!!!
There are no compatibility issues, (it means if you want to install a prog, doesn't screw your registry).
With new technologies you don't have to consume your pc resources, (like the stupid useless vista graphics).
Also vista have network issues, (like wireless and lan networks).
Last the microsoft bull...hit about improved security on vista are fairytail, (like hans and grettel).

CONCLUSION : Let's see microsoft's work WINDOWS 7 until then i'll stick with WINDOWS XP.
PS : Pretty good information had posted by ichigosbankai7002.

[benhur99ph]

Yeah... Windows 7 looks promising... but it seems that I have lost my faith in new operating systems developed by MS. I do still use Windows Xp... but only as a guest operating system. I primarily use Linux as my main OS and use Virtualization software to run XP.

But, I do hope Windows 7 will be good enough.. at least as good as XP... :mayuri:

[2e1hsb]

RISC OS 3!!! Oh wait, that's not an option.

hehhehhehhehh :-)

Nah, I voted XP, I've used Vista on other peoples machines and it just seems so chaotic and appears to be bodged together.

Although I'm a Mac user so I usually have issues using Windows for long periods of time without getting confused. But my PC runs XP and I find it ok.

[ichimaru86]

RISC OS 3!!! Oh wait, that's not an option.

hehhehhehhehh :-)

Nah, I voted XP, I've used Vista on other peoples machines and it just seems so chaotic and appears to be bodged together.

Although I'm a Mac user so I usually have issues using Windows for long periods of time without getting confused. But my PC runs XP and I find it ok.

Yeah, we all go LINUX and show the big hardware companies that they must support drivers for linux, like UBUNTU distro.

[Floyd]

XP for me.

Vista was an attempt to try and make things more simple for the average idiot....but this made it harder for people who know alot about computers and OS's so its more difficult to find certain things that you would easily find on XP.

Also XP takes up alot less computing power.

[NXTNL9]

I bought a laptop that came pre-loaded with Vista and i really like the way it looks but the memory usage and random bugs like not allowing to update get annoying.

[ichimaru86]

To everybody if you bought a new laptop with vista preinstalled and you want xp but you won't find any drivers for xp. I suggest find the proper slipstream drives and install them on windows xp cd by using nlite.

[NXTNL9]

To everybody if you bought a new laptop with vista preinstalled and you want xp but you won't find any drivers for xp. I suggest find the proper slipstream drives and install them on windows xp cd by using nlite.

Ah sweet thanks for the headsup i've got a Vista related question it won't allow me to update error code 8042700c, I've read up on it on the MS support site but the solution is for windows 2000!

[ichimaru86]

Sorry friend but my expirience of vista is next to nothing. I suspect that your problem might be some kind of network error, vista have lots of them. Do you have installed any security apps on pc ?

[benhur99ph]

To everybody if you bought a new laptop with vista preinstalled and you want xp but you won't find any drivers for xp. I suggest find the proper slipstream drives and install them on windows xp cd by using nlite.

That's the problem right there. It seems that they are "force-feeding" Vista to people. A friend of mine bought a Toshiba laptop a few months back... and to this day, he's still digging through the internet to look for xp drivers for his laptop... :mayuri:

[NXTNL9]

Sorry friend but my expirience of vista is next to nothing. I suspect that your problem might be some kind of network error, vista have lots of them. Do you have installed any security apps on pc ?

No i'm a tech kinda guy and i don't really use security apps if i get a virus ill get rid of it manually and on top of that i've messed around with the ports and such to get it to open, I think that's where my problem lies. I can't manually download anything from the MS site either so i'm forced to use "other" means in order to get updates even though its a legit copy of Vista.

I've had enough of it anyway i installed xp as well i now dual-boot them.

[Swebb]

I think Vista is better, but I don't understand why people think XP is better.

I can understand that some programs won't work on Vista, but for everything else I think Vista is better.

[Floyd]

It depends on how you use a PC.

I'm quite interested in Computing etc etc....so I find XP so much easier to use than Vista....Vista has too many silly little menus and pointless things.

XP is simple.
Vista looks so much better, unless you get a skin for XP like i've got.

[jimbata]

vote for xp .. :aizen2:

[IsshinKurosaki]

XP all the way i mean no problems or anything yet they bring out vista the prototype that got sold thats why its crap and always have hidden problems.

[tommyints_05]

i prefer XP but i vote for VISTA hehehehe but many can afford buying Xp but Visa others cant afford it so enjoy what you have


-┼oMm¥iN┼s-

:zaraki::zaraki::zaraki:

[sunz2k8]

yeah i agree with you vista is much more well you know erm more better thats all i can say

[tienzyee]

I've been using vista for over a year and it's been serving me well. Just that you need better RAM and processor speed or else it'll be very slow and lagging.

Another thing to note is it's much more visually pleasing

[benhur99ph]

I've been using vista for over a year and it's been serving me well. Just that you need better RAM and processor speed or else it'll be very slow and lagging.

Another thing to note is it's much more visually pleasing

But with a few tweaks... XP can look as good, if not better. Plus, you don't need the extra RAM. Hehe... So, if anyone's gonna be wanting to upgrade to Vista just for the looks. Then hold it for a bit. Searching google... one can easily find instructions to turn their good old XP machine to look swave... hehe.. :mayuri:

[Kenpachi TZ]

Ah the age old question!

Which is better: Vista or XP?

Here is my personal opinion:-

XP:-

I loved this thing and it has served me well for a long time.

Excellent operating system if properly treated but if neglected MAJOR problems arise.

For this reason I dont give it too high scores on reliability whereas Vista is better than this thing in soooo many aspects.

Vista:-

Welcome to the future.

This thing is nearly die hard reliable. i think most people dislike Vista because they just do not want to go through the upgrade process which I have read in many articles is a major pain.

Compatibility issues arise so upgrading some software is a must if they do not run in compatibility mode. Though I wasnt looking forward to moving to Vista... I got a laptop with it installed so decided to dig in and give it a try.

Vista is just awesome after the week or 2 I needed to make myself feel right at home.

I just updated a few programs, changed visual elements (dont know about others but I love the windows classic cause of it's simplicity & the fact it eats less processing power & ram than the bloody normal view).

Windows Aero was excellent as it combined visual elements in both 3D and 2D. The windows switching as an example but I keep it off since this laptop is not exactly high end ($800 HP so you can imagine).

The program... Superfetch was an excellent touch cuz it produces quite a difference if you have enough RAM. Storing user patterns and keeping the most opened programs in RAM is an excellent idea but it does slow up opening of programs you rarely use because stuff has to be chucked out of RAM.

The possibility of using external flash drives as extra RAM was excellent!! I use my Ipod since it is summer and I dont go with it to places other than school most of the time. So you can imagine. 2GB of RAM on my laptop and 2GB extra from my 4 GB Ipod Mini (I know it sucks) = 4GB of beautiful RAM. All thanks to ReadyBoost!!

User Account Control is another excellent feature. Gets annoying at first but often helpful especially when used with Windows Defender to track changes made to windows system files.

The DX10 also required to play some games will force die hard gamers to upgrade their systems eventually but it is quite superior to DX9 with Windows Aero.


I can go on praising Windows Vista forever and may sound like a Vista Commercial but Vista is the future & the bomb. Upgrade now! hehe.

Just my 2 cents,
Kenpachi TZ

[benhur99ph]

I can go on praising Windows Vista forever and may sound like a Vista Commercial but Vista is the future & the bomb. Upgrade now! hehe.

Woah! Watch out! A Vista salesman! LOL...

But in all seriousness, from the way you said it, and from the post you made at the other thread Which Operating System do you use? (http://http://www.bleachanime.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7252), it seems that you have tweaked your Vista to perform just right. Now that's good. Many people are suffering because Vista's default setting doesn't appeal to all especially if they were former XP users.

So, do you think you can make like a thread discussing on how to tweak Vista. Like a "how-to" guide so those Vista-users with trouble can look into it. Thanks! :mayuri:

[tommyints_05]

XP serve us a long long time and face many challenges w/ us it's like our family and so Vista appeared out of nowhere and some didn't know if there's a vista so Xp can't easily erase on our memory and be replaced it takes a long time to do that if you whant to change your Xp to vista

:urahara: changes clothes to :urahara2:

[Kenpachi TZ]

Woah! Watch out! A Vista salesman! LOL...

But in all seriousness, from the way you said it, and from the post you made at the other thread Which Operating System do you use? (http://http://www.bleachanime.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7252), it seems that you have tweaked your Vista to perform just right. Now that's good. Many people are suffering because Vista's default setting doesn't appeal to all especially if they were former XP users.

So, do you think you can make like a thread discussing on how to tweak Vista. Like a "how-to" guide so those Vista-users with trouble can look into it. Thanks! :mayuri:

Yeah. Since I was in unkown territory and it was TOTALLY different from XP at first glance (and the fact I didnt wanna mess up my new laptop) I looked up for a guide.

I had millions for XP which all seemed to bring up one problem or another which was the reason that I gave up on XP the moment I got this laptop and decided to welcome the future (hehe another sales pitch. I am in no way in cohorts with Bill Gates... you have no evidence!).

Long story short go to www.tweakguides.com and look for the "Tweak Companion For Vista" Guide. God bless the tech genius who wrote this thing. Everything works but somethings are done at a risk. It covers everything about Vista in 268 pages of tweaking goodness. Overclocking etc. is all explained here.

Take the time to go through it. It took me 2 weeks to fully set up but after a problems with personal software compatibility issues (which took me a month to replace with this darned internet connection) I was good.

All my programs were old and had to work in XP in compatibility mode so if you still have any software that doesnt support XP atleast... replace it. One month may be intimidating to set up a PC but after tweaking Vista... all the issues I suffered in that month only resulted 3 restarts!!

Download you TweakGuides.Com Vista Guide & Upgrade Now! (batteries not included) hehe.

D'oh I still sound like a Vista & now a tweaking guide salesman. But it is worth if I have only restarted 3 times in 2 months rather than XP where I had an average of 1 restart EVERY 2 DAYS NO MATTER WHAT I TWEAKED!!

Just my sales pitch,
Kenpachi TZ

[onegoodman_05]

Im going to go with XP I have used Vista and It was not all that different. I liked it more for the Cosmetics but Nuthing else. I think that in time It will be better but not at the moment.

[jebard]

Xp .. is the best os .. ;)

[Deadly]

I like XP better, on Vista I encounter problems that i would not get on XP

[Riichan]

xp runs so much smoother and is easier to navigate. also with tools u can make it look like vista and still have near the same speed as xp. and for gaming faster is always better XD

[Tamika]

XP for the win!
Vista is not meant for gamers or people who do 3D graphics as it prevents you from downloading any of the tools for it, my co-writer had it on her computer and needless to say she spent three hours trying to install her 3D graphic card into her new computer only to take it to the computer shop and have the HD wiped clean and she installed XP back. Never had any problems with XP unlike Vista which is in her opinion in the BETA stage and shouldn't really be out on the market at all.

Tamika

[lonewolfer7]

I personally run on an xp but ive never used vista

[ttu1987]

I am working with windows vista ultimate x64. I have an intek QX9650 quad core processor. Runs really fast

[curleysue]

i got xp pro and i am not changin to vista.

as a computer whizz kid took me 38 mins to hack vista
and the security system on it sucks.

graphics wise just get xo oatch 3 and you can have nearly the same graphics or you can just use uxthemes and have a better theme,

my voe is XP.

[xelanoh]

Windows XP is definitely better.
Why? because it doesn't have as many bugs
as Vista does. It doesn't need to have 20 update
pop-ups every 3 months and also updates on XP
don't take 3 hours.

[Shaku]

I fear too much Vista's incompatibilities with some programs and lot of people say that DirectX 10 isn't much of an improvement. Maybe in the future I will buy it, who knows?

[ChickenBoy]

I honestly prefer using xp, i feel its more compatible than vista, so i voted for xp

[Miminixi]

I use XP so i prefer it,the Vista environment is just more fanciful than the XP but apart from that XP is better, most software are not compatible with the Vista and personally i think XP is more user friendly than Vista.Vista is also kind of slow and problematic,so in my own opinion XP is much better than Vista.

[crazy4u]

I think XP is way better since Vista it has so many driver security issues that it drives me nuts whenever there is a need to install, upgrade or simply work in the Vista. The visual is sure great but it takes a lot of storage capacity which is basically not as brilliant as Apple for its graphic. Xp is ok to use; at least for now:D

[koshky]

I have vista in my compter and it's faster concerning the title I downloaded the diamond dust rebellion but it's not working maybe because it's vista somebody help me please I want to watch it

[geekity2]

XP without a doubt. The first and last time I tried installing something on Vista, it embedded the program in the registry startup routine and then froze so the program wasn't installed on the computer. As a result you could only boot into the recovery mode. It was a friend's computer and she no longer had the original cds so I ended up taking it to a professional who installed XP on it. That cost me a bit. But yeah, the moral of the story is I hate Vista.

[Elmo-Taicho]

i prefer xp but the vista stuff looks better but in like 2 or 3 years time every1 will have vista

[benhur99ph]

i prefer xp but the vista stuff looks better but in like 2 or 3 years time every1 will have vista

Well if Windows 7 turns out to be "way better" than Vista.. then... 2 or 3 years from now... Vista will just be a faint (but painful) memory to everyone... M$ really screwed up on this one... :mayuri:

[darkangel]

To me the best is both

im using Both of them
XP and Vista


but some of Vista are not comfortable other PC
but its depends of it
right

[kdr0014]

How about neither? OSX is best

[Hazou]

XP is better then Vista.
Vista has one cool thing about it in its load of crap, Vista camouflages when your computer gets slower with the bunch of stuff you load on it.

I hate Vista, using it right now needed a new computer and all the new computers have Vista on it.
It constantly bothers me for updates, it constanly ask me are you sure you want to delete this more then once, it constantly is bothering me.
Shut Vista up.

[JEMF0X]

I like XP better. It's something I'm used to, it makes sense, and for the most part, it works. I mean, it crashes a lot, but it does what I want it to when I want it to.

I don't understand why they had to revamp so many familiar things with Vista. All they needed to do was release a patched and graphically updated version of XP and everyone would have been happy. Many people complain that they don't know how to use it, but if they just kept it with the XP interface, everyone would have understood it right away because they would have been used to it already.

[Saku]

To me Vista is for people who run business and stuff, for people who are just students and need it for other reasons. You have a bunch of stuff you don't need. Plus I find there is a bunch on problems with vista. To get to my point XP is way better then the "new and improved vista."

[benhur99ph]

XP is better then Vista.
Vista has one cool thing about it in its load of crap, Vista camouflages when your computer gets slower with the bunch of stuff you load on it.

I hate Vista, using it right now needed a new computer and all the new computers have Vista on it.
It constantly bothers me for updates, it constanly ask me are you sure you want to delete this more then once, it constantly is bothering me.
Shut Vista up.

I suggest you check the fine print that came with your computer. There are versions of M$ Vista that gives you the option to "upgrade to a more familiar experience", or simply putting it... it allows you to downgrade to XP. I think the Vista Business Edition has it. Dunno about the other versions though. But before doing the downgrade, search for drivers first for your particular computer model. The home-site for your pc (especially laptops) usually provide drivers. :mayuri:

[Kyoraku81]

why is vista even an option? it sucks!

[Tempest Winds]

Apple's better than both. But honestly, they're the same dang thing. One's just a little flashier. XP=dull vista. Vista=amped up xp with no compatability whatsoever.

[Tora]

I use Windows Server 2008, which is basically Vista stripped to bare-bones. Then I added a little bit back, so that it looks just like Vista, but actually runs better than XP. I hear you can get the same effect by messing with Vista to disable a lot of crap that doesn't need to be there for most people. Driver issues are getting a lot better too.

One of the big problems with Vista and other programs was that Vista forces the programs that run on it to use "clean" code. XP didn't require that, so programmers got lazy. Then Vista comes along, and people with programs that do messy stuff get killed. Now that it's the new OS, it's getting some better support.

[sushil]

wow!! window server2008 , how is going server 2008 well i am using server 2003 and it's going well. by the way i want to tell you that i have been use vista, linux, XP, or also server 2003 also have used window 98 but still i would like to work on windows XP.

[Tora]

Server OS's are awesome, aren't they? :D

'08's pretty much awesomeness in Operating System form. Since it's based on the basic Vista platform, it supports all the stuff like DirectX 10, the fancy interface, etc. I actually boosted the framerates in all my games by 1 or 2. With a little hacking, you can get it to do everything Vista does, except you probably don't want to, because if you do, it slows way down. It's more stable as long as you don't run too much junk, since Server '08 assumes you're gonna run some stranger applications that need to be able to run they way they want. You've kinda gotta be careful though, and make sure you catch all the nasty viruses before they get in and muck stuff up.

[linuxata]

To me Vista is for people who run business and stuff, for people who are just students and need it for other reasons. You have a bunch of stuff you don't need. Plus I find there is a bunch on problems with vista. To get to my point XP is way better then the "new and improved vista."

It is amazing how the old and lousy is superior to the new and improved!

FYI Big public companies refuse to use Vista and restrict people to XP.

[little1213star]

vista >.> is so hard to go on by >.> Xp is all simple >.> I admit I like the theme editing on vista but other then that >.> I stick with xp

[eygen]

Meh, XP is way better than vista....I bought a brand new pc (with vista sadly) but it would be so much better with xp. It takes a lot of time to start up programs because vista basically eats half of my RAM (which is 4 gigs) and xp doesn't. On top of that, vista's compatability is very, very low...
Xp for the win :D

[Tora]

Wow, Vista's getting a pretty hard knock.
First of all, yes, I admit they made a lot of mistakes with Vista. I think they added a lot of useless features and made them easy to access, then included some slightly more useful features for "power users" that they made more difficult to find. Many of the features slow things down considerably. However...
Vista does NOT eat 2 gigs of ram. I can comfortably run my laptop (2 gigs total) with Vista, and build and render complex 3D images with plenty of memory to spare. On a machine running Vista, I have one copy of internet explorer open with 13 tabs, and across 3 copies of firefox running, upwards of 40 tabs. Even with all of that, I'm only using 1.25 gigs of my memory.
What might be a problem is that you're running Vista 32-bit. 32-bit numbers mean you can only create numbers that are so big. Each piece of memory needs an address so the OS can find it, like Google Maps might find your house. Once you fill all the addresses possible with a 32-bit number, you can't get any more memory. Vista supports 4 gigabytes. However, that is not 4 gigabytes just for system memory - there are other things that need memory addresses in your system. For every bit of memory on your video card (mine has 256, I think) it has to subtract that amount from your system memory's address pool (so, 4 gigs on my machine would get limited to 3.75 gigs). If you get two videocards, you double the problem. There are other systems that eat up some addresses as well, and Vista only gets to use what's left over of the system memory addresses. (I believe this number is approximately 768 Megabytes, or 3/4 of a gigabyte.) All operating systems do this, not just Vista. It's a limit to 32-bit computing. If you switched to 64-bit OS's, you'd most likely get to use all 4 gigabytes. (Though in some rare cases users have reported not getting it all - their motherboard likely doesn't support more than 3 gigs.)

Still, you must be running some awfully big programs if 2 gigabytes of ram is not enough to run them quickly. Most likely, your problem is one of a fragmented hard drive, rather than not enough memory.


The bad "compatibility" in Vista is actually more strict guidelines on program memory usage (which helps prevent viruses from doing damage to your system). Program manufacturers sometimes used sloppy code to get what they wanted done, and Vista said no way. This was especially a problem with drivers, which worked on a much lower level, and had direct access to the memory.

[tupper]

Well XP is more for a general purpose type and Vista is kinda a stlye type O.S so they both have different purposes so it wil be hard to vote. I voted XP in the end because people are used to it and it is convient and I noticed that Vista's shut down button can be mistakened for the stand by one so I am with XP though I am using the Vista nowXD

[benhur99ph]

If you are planning to upgrade to Vista for the sole purpose that you like its style, meaning all the eye candy (new theme and the aero interface), do not replace your XP just yet. Anyone can configure their XP machine to look just like Vista. And even the Window-Flip thing... theres a little application that will enable you to do just that. :mayuri:

[eygen]

Well the style looks good, but I can never find the buttons I.E. the buttons in microsoft word.
I like the see-through bars though.

[riabi_nta]

of course i prefer XP :zaraki:

coz this os more stable and low-end versions for every user :)

[espada98]

you know when i saw windows vista i thought it was not good but i saw it theme it was amazing

[Fonz62]

Well, I use XP Pro, and am satisfied with that. However if you decide to buy a new Computer altogether, you will have a nearly impossible time to get XP installed because they nearly all have Vista pre-installed. There are some sites you can go to that sell computers (Dell for instance) that will install XP instead of Vista for you, if you prefer that.

[benhur99ph]

Well, I use XP Pro, and am satisfied with that. However if you decide to buy a new Computer altogether, you will have a nearly impossible time to get XP installed because they nearly all have Vista pre-installed. There are some sites you can go to that sell computers (Dell for instance) that will install XP instead of Vista for you, if you prefer that.

Yeah... it's sad how they force the consumers into buying an OS that they really didn't choose. But that's damn good marketing! And get this... if you want to have XP but the PC that you are buying is pre-installed with Vista .. then you can... BUT... you must have the high-end versions of Vista (Business or Ultimate -- I think) ... because these versions come with the downgrade to XP option... :mad:

But its a good thing that there are still some stores that let you choose XP if you want... For me the best thing is that if it is a desktop that you are buying ,,,, then just build one! It's cheaper and you really get to pick what should be installed. :mayuri:

[joe4ever86]

I just recently had my grandpa install a lite version of XP on my computer......Now its much more faster and better now XD

Vista...meh....you need at least an Intel Core2 Duo Processor 2.0 GHZ with at least 1.5-2 GB of RAM....but that's just my opinion :p

[Tora]

Yes, Vista is designed for much higher-end computers, even though technically you can run it on lower-end ones. If you only have 1 GB of RAM, though, there's not much you can do (maybe a couple instances of Internet Explorer and a copy of Microsoft Word) at once before there's no more room to put stuff.

You can install Windows XP on ANY computer you want, and it's not that hard. You merely need to format the hard drive (which also erases all data) and the computer will forget anything Vista told it about no downgrading to XP. You need an XP install disk for that though, so unless you have an extra copy lying around from an old computer, you'd need to go buy one. Don't format the hard drive before you have the XP disk in hand. It just makes life difficult (and the computer unusable till you get a disk).

[wpeckham]

I am a Network and Systems Administrator: I have used both in both 32-bit and 64-bit in a development environment with 6 or 7 mounted network shares. Vist slows to a crawl VERY quickly. I like it, and was productive with it, but was glad to get back to XP for my daily tasks because I am far more productive on XP compared to Vista.
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Actually, I prefer my Debian/Ubuntu and Fedora Linux desktops over either. The speed there blows BOTH away on the same iron.

[CantinTheGreat]

For studying in that I would have to say that performance wise Vista is the best if you have an up to date computer. Even if it is a more complicated OS for beginners it works better in my opinion. Xp is more for basic users who do not need the Berlin-Wall that Vista puts for security. Everything is asked to you anytime you want to modify something in vista while Xp only does so when you open an unknown or suspect program

[Ming]

I would say XP is better. I currently use Vista because it came with this desktop and it works fine but has had a few small problems. With XP on my laptop which I've had for 2 years there has been no problems at all.

[Shimuzaki]

XP always ran faster than vista for me because on xp the PC could keep up with my typing and on vista it cant.

[Tora]

So, I just read an article that got some really nasty happenings between Intel and Microsoft into the light...

Turns out, Microsoft was developing operating systems faster than hardware peoples could build computers fast enough for them. So, Intel got Microsoft to label a ton of computers as "Vista-ready", when they didn't actually have enough "oomph" to run the OS. The standards were re-written so that the computers that were "vista-ready" could be upgraded later to run the properly, even though they couldn't when the computers were released. Dang Intel. So, on today's computers, it shouldn't really matter. The problems we are having with speed might be compared to trying to run WinXP on a system only powerful enough to run Win98.

[G-Dragon]

Practiically the same really but XP cheaper so I chose XP.:):)

[wpeckham]

I ran Vista X64 on an HP with dual 64-bit dual core processors and 2G memory. It was FAST with XP. Not bad with Vista. Then I joined it to the corporate network and added the standard 7 network drives, and Vista slowed to a painful crawl. XP ran the same ad before. This leads me to believe that there are issues in Vista running with multiple network drive mounts that have not been resolved.
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Note: intel was NOT involved in my experience in any way!
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Currently I only run Vista for testing, only the 32-bit version, and only in a virtual running on XP with only one network drive mounted at a time. Used that way it actually doesn't suck. Much.
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I expect Vista to blow XP away, but only after a couple more years of service packs and fixes.
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It all makes me wish I could get my hands on a licensed copy of Windows98SE or two. IT would run FAST on far less hardware.

These days if I want fast, I have to run Linux or FreeDOS!

[Fadingz]

XP pro with SP3 is the best for 32bit
However,
Vista Ultimate with SP1 is the more optimal one for 64bit.

The major downside for Vista is the hardware hog and hardware sensitivity.
However, if you own a decent computer and the amount that Vista drains is minute compare to the power your computer has, then Vista is the choice. Also, since decent computer tends to have fewer hardware issues, Vista should be pretty stable.

I have 8G DDR2 RAM and Vista Ultimate 64 works pretty well for me thus far.

Also the driver issues people were complaining about for 64bit Vista is like all solved now it seems.

[benhur99ph]

I have 8G DDR2 RAM and Vista Ultimate 64 works pretty well for me thus far.

There you go... you can't go wrong with 8gb of ram ... bet your Vista flies... just a quick question... how much time does it take to boot? in seconds? I'm just curious.... :mayuri:

[Fadingz]

There you go... you can't go wrong with 8gb of ram ... bet your Vista flies... just a quick question... how much time does it take to boot? in seconds? I'm just curious.... :mayuri:

BIOS to log on screen, ~10sec

after BIOS and password, ~8sec

RAID0 10,000rmp RaptorX drives x2

xD

[Tora]

BIOS to log on screen, ~10sec

after BIOS and password, ~8sec

RAID0 10,000rmp RaptorX drives x2

xD

Sheesh! What on earth do you need all that power for?

But yeah, that's what it takes to get Vista to run nicely. It'll probably run pretty fast on 4 gigs of ram and similar-speed raid0 HDDs though. Crazy software engineers need to build products that normal people can run, not products that only people with high-powered gaming rigs can run. (I say this, even as I go aiming for a gaming rig myself.) Oh yeah, and careful on the memory... Without some OS tweaks, 32-bit windows won't support a full 4 gigabytes of ram - you have to go 64-bit to get that (or hack windows, your pick).

For most users, I'd say that XP is a better bet until you get a rig that can run Vista nicely. (I have 2 gigs ram and a single, fairly slow hard drive, and Vista runs alright, with some of the cruft disabled. It's not awesome or anything.)

What I really find interesting is that somehow Apple managed to get their ram quantity to not matter much. If you have spare ram, everything seems to run full-tilt until you run out. There's no slowing down as space decreases. I'd be interested to know how they do that (and why the heck Microsoft / IBM / Intel / Corsair / whoever is responsible for that fix hasn't done it yet).

[Fadingz]

What I really find interesting is that somehow Apple managed to get their ram quantity to not matter much. If you have spare ram, everything seems to run full-tilt until you run out. There's no slowing down as space decreases. I'd be interested to know how they do that (and why the heck Microsoft / IBM / Intel / Corsair / whoever is responsible for that fix hasn't done it yet).

pagefiles, I think.
You can enable/disable it in your registry.

and MAC has almost no background programs running, unlike the other OS's.

[benhur99ph]

You should try Linux! Enable Compiz and all that eye candy and you will barely see a slow down!

Makes one wonder how they do that... :mayuri:

[Fadingz]

You can also turn tverything off in Vista and XP except the system OS root, it'll only take a few mb's to run xD~

[nivlek]

maybe windows 7 will outwin? haha .. not sure .. but i simply love windows 7 looks ..

[Fadingz]

maybe windows 7 will outwin? haha .. not sure .. but i simply love windows 7 looks ..

Look wise, there are mods there can turn vista to look the same or even bettter than 7, or even XP similar to 7 xD~
The main thing that is more interesting for 7 is its size and speed.

[benhur99ph]

Look wise, there are mods there can turn vista to look the same or even bettter than 7, or even XP similar to 7 xD~
The main thing that is more interesting for 7 is its size and speed.

I agree. It's easy to change the looks of an OS. There are applications that let you do that (windowblinds and stylexp to name a few).

It all boils down to performance and stability. :mayuri:

[nivlek]

I agree. It's easy to change the looks of an OS. There are applications that let you do that (windowblinds and stylexp to name a few).

It all boils down to performance and stability. :mayuri:

haha .. agree.. the size and speed of it .. there are lots of mods to make current os's looks like win 7 .. but wat's best is the speed !! hurrayyy

[Mr GigGles]

Xp all the way.

Maybe give Vista a few years to improve, then I might change my opinion.

[benhur99ph]

Xp all the way.

Maybe give Vista a few years to improve, then I might change my opinion.

Yes. Windows XP had a lot of time for improvement because Vista took way too long to get released. But with Windows 7 coming out soon, I wonder what will Microsoft do with Vista... :mayuri::D

[wpeckham]

Vista may start out looking quicker, but it takes much more hardware to do it. I find XP faster and it seems more reliable. XP is CLEARLY faster once you add a half-dozen network drive mounts.
If speed and reliability were all that mattered, I would be running Ubuntu or some other Debian variant. Linux blows BOTH XP and VISTA (in both 32-bit and 64-bit) away, but will not run the applications I need.
(Which, admittedly, is the fault of my company. The developers like VB and the MS development environment and the parent Corp. has a MS partner license: so it is unlikely to change anytime soon.)
I see no problem with either XP or VISTA for home use as long as you have the iron to run it properly. In my CORP environment, VISTA is a clear loss.

[mushh]

im using vista here, mine is a custom vista, well slow or fast it all depend on your hardware, mine is fast enough it only it take less than 30 to boot up and then straight i can play cod 4...well from what i see using vista does give u a nice dx10...well again u need a 8 series or later ge force.....well i say vista is the best for me....when update for xp stops im sure u will be thinking vista will be better.... for gamers vista is better don't waste your graphic card on dx9

[wpeckham]

I expect VISTA might get pretty good just after it goes out of support.
:)
Man, I will I had the money to contribute to light a blaze under the REACTOS team!

[Luke545234]

Xp because it's less buged and they have pack 3 :hitsugaya:

[Souske88]

I persnally havn't owned a vista before, but from what I hear, from all the media and my friends, the Vista is very gitchy, and my opinion is that if you have enough $, buy a Mac, it's better than mircosoft, and from what I hear, computer viruses are less prone to infect a Mac.

[Insaniac4xc]

The original form of Vista is an irritataing software, but once you modify it to usible standards, it is great. Not anybody can be happy with Vista, because it is complicated to make it compatible.
I use the "Hacker Version" or so we call it. It has better performance drives and speed. Also, there isn't a security question every time you decide to run a program. As a programmer and web page designer, I prefer my customized Vista software. =P.

XP if you don't care about the small details.

Vista for the more detailed work, and better performance.

[ryuutohime1982]

Working in the job I do, most of the time I deal with XP related computers, though people do bring laptops in which are Vista.

My sister has a Vista laptop which she's more or less ok with, and it behaves itself quite well.

The customers I serve are another matter. They have all kinds of random and silly problems with their Vista laptops.

My colleague does like to call it PICNIC though - "problem in chair not in computer". ;) Most computer fritzes are caused by users and not the OS.

BUT I would vote for XP. That same colleague updated to Vista and then backtracked to XP because Vista was driving him nuts. So far I've not seen any overall advantage to Vista over XP but I've had to help people deal with lots of Vista related things that aren't bugs but niggles in the way the system works. BIG problems with driver updates, etc, things like that.

My own PCs run on XP. I'm keeping them that way. I don't generally upgrade install OS on my own machines anyhow since a lot of PCs don't do well with an OS newer than their specifications are designed for and it can cause all kinds of problems.

[Sanyynn]

Linux. :) Okay... Don't want to start a flame, I know... Choose from the list...

I've worked several times on Vista, and the UAC (User Access Control?)is very-very annoying... I wanted to use apache on it, but I had to turn this stuff off for it to not show warning messages every second minute... It also showed a warning message for it's own firewall... And last but not least it doesn't work on my notebook because of videocard... Sayonara Vista! :)

[facfiles]

Linux, yes :) Vista wants lots of memory, needs new hardware, don't want to work with software needed and as a result has no benefits at all. XP SP3 is more than OK

[shinati]

XP better ... . .

[moving]

I prefer XP, I also ask one computer engineer guy and he told that XP is better than Vista because cause problems, but it looks flashy

[facfiles]

I prefer XP, I also ask one computer engineer guy and he told that XP is better than Vista because cause problems, but it looks flashy

:) sounds really funny - most of the guys i know can be called "computer engineers" - most of them studied at university at the tech faculties or are working now with the computers, but it doesn't mean they can at least install windows on their laptops :) computer engineer is such a huge name for so lots of people!


By the way, I spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to find Office 2000 or XP to download but culdn't. maybe somebody knows where can i take it? depositfiles if possible

[Sanyynn]

:) sounds really funny - most of the guys i know can be called "computer engineers" - most of them studied at university at the tech faculties or are working now with the computers, but it doesn't mean they can at least install windows on their laptops :) computer engineer is such a huge name for so lots of people!


By the way, I spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to find Office 2000 or XP to download but culdn't. maybe somebody knows where can i take it? depositfiles if possible

Don't you want to use openoffice.org? :) You can download it on it's name's site :) (Version 3 is compatible with the new formats)

[benhur99ph]

Don't you want to use openoffice.org? :) You can download it on it's name's site :) (Version 3 is compatible with the new formats)

Yeah. Openoffice is just as good. Though you might notice slight formatting alterations in your MS-office files when you open them in Openoffice... but that can be easily fixed. I suggest you try it. It's free! :D

[kakaroto]

as of now its xp but its unfair to compare the two windows.

xp is currently service pack 3 while vista has just released sp1. i guess xp was more unstable than vista when it was first released.

[Fadingz]

I'm actually thinking about grabbing Windows 7 when it's out.
XP is outdated, and Vista is... hardware boar. ><

[facfiles]

Yeah. Openoffice is just as good. Though you might notice slight formatting alterations in your MS-office files when you open them in Openoffice... but that can be easily fixed. I suggest you try it. It's free! :D

I worked with OpenOffice at one of my working places - whan you're becoming accustomed to it, it's not bad. But i have to repair rather old computer for my mother, and she don't want to learn "this new tricks" :)

[benhur99ph]

I worked with OpenOffice at one of my working places - whan you're becoming accustomed to it, it's not bad. But i have to repair rather old computer for my mother, and she don't want to learn "this new tricks" :)

Oh... its for your mom. Yeah, some of the older people tend to be hesitant in using new applications. They would rather stay and use the one that they are more accustomed to. :mayuri:

[aceman2001]

I think its all about the power of your pc obviously if you have pentium 3 and 512 ram vista is a no no..... I think thats where people went wrong... thinking their rig could run vista... when in all likelyhood It can't... I'm running vista and I love it I can't stand to use my lappy with xp.... I think when you get used to vista on a pc that can run it all you will never go back to xp

:offtopic:
I wanted to build a new rig but I got a dell xps 420 for 500$
q6600 Quadcore @ 2.4 gonna hard clock it to 3 ghz soon
4 gm crucial ballistix ram (only running 32 bit for it doesn't allocate it all)
and just got a Western Digital 300 gb Velociraptor...
Only thing I'm gonna upgrade someday is the VC

so comp costed me about 700 $ with ram and hd

[benhur99ph]

:offtopic:
I wanted to build a new rig but I got a dell xps 420 for 500$
q6600 Quadcore @ 2.4 gonna hard clock it to 3 ghz soon
4 gm crucial ballistix ram (only running 32 bit for it doesn't allocate it all)
and just got a Western Digital 300 gb Velociraptor...
Only thing I'm gonna upgrade someday is the VC

so comp costed me about 700 $ with ram and hd

Hehe... you should've posted it here -- > Computer Parts recommendation thread (http://www.bleachanime.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42352).

I must say.. pretty cool rig you got there. Let's discuss it further at that thread. Thanks! :mayuri:

[Duesco]

There is nothing wrong with Vista, and it's shinier, so nyah.

[wpeckham]

Aceman: Machine power does not explain the issues people have with Vista running on business class power machines. If you have 3 Gig or RAM or more, and 300+Gig of hard drive space, dual core FAST processors, and it still acts like a dog there is something wrong.
I am a bit upset that most XP machine really do not have enough resources to run VISTA BUSINESS properly, but even when they do XP BUSINESS runs better!

Duesco: Why do you say there is nothing wrong with VISTA? If it works for you I am glad, but it does not for the majority. The poll results are running at 80% in favor of XP. (As of 20090220-13:50 EST)

Certainly it narrows the cause of the problems down if the same hardware FLIES under XP or Linux, but barely limps along with VISTA.

As for shiny: I must admit it looks good for windows. I would prefer an OS that RUNS better, even if it were ugly, but VISTA is pretty I admit. Almost as pretty as Ubuntu: which actually WORKS!

[aceman2001]

Aceman: Machine power does not explain the issues people have with Vista running on business class power machines. If you have 3 Gig or RAM or more, and 300+Gig of hard drive space, dual core FAST processors, and it still acts like a dog there is something wrong.
I am a bit upset that most XP machine really do not have enough resources to run VISTA BUSINESS properly, but even when they do XP BUSINESS runs better!

Duesco: Why do you say there is nothing wrong with VISTA? If it works for you I am glad, but it does not for the majority. The poll results are running at 80% in favor of XP. (As of 20090220-13:50 EST)

Certainly it narrows the cause of the problems down if the same hardware FLIES under XP or Linux, but barely limps along with VISTA.

As for shiny: I must admit it looks good for windows. I would prefer an OS that RUNS better, even if it were ugly, but VISTA is pretty I admit. Almost as pretty as Ubuntu: which actually WORKS!

well I ran vista on my old pentium 4 @ 3.6 ghz and it was slow clunky... so imo machine power has alot to do with it...

"Vista running on business class power machines. If you have 3 Gig or RAM or more, and 300+Gig of hard drive space, dual core FAST processors, and it still acts like a dog there is something wrong. "

Could be conflicts... I/O errors, Integrated video (which will cause even quadcore to run slow), just with my experience I though my old pentium could run it with aero ... like I said 3.6 ghz 4 gb ram, 75 gb raptor, ati x800 (when they were new) 512 mb 265 bit video card.... I had to go back to xp

Alot of people prefer xp, and thats true... don't get me wrong xp was great, I loved the OS.... Vista like you said looks better.... and it runs quick and responsive for me at least....

Vista is a power hog plain and simple... Like you were saying ....."I am a bit upset that most XP machine really do not have enough resources to run VISTA BUSINESS properly, but even when they do XP BUSINESS runs better!" Vista requires soo much more power than xp.... its scarry

Imo nothing is wrong with Vista.... I love it runs perfectly.... Most people I talk to just don't have the power to run it.... Not to say though that xp doesn't run faster on my machine... I just prefer vistas bells and whistles :D

[Sanyynn]

I would prefer an OS that RUNS better, even if it were ugly, but VISTA is pretty I admit. Almost as pretty as Ubuntu: which actually WORKS!

Very well said. Some say that Vista is machine consuming because it has effects and other things, and that it eats a lot because it's newer... But... It's so abnormal for just the OS without any programs running (which is the actual purpose of the existence of machines) to consume this much of power just because it's prettier. How come that ubuntu has much prettier effects and usability, and it doesn't eat a lot? It's not because it's older... the new distro is even younger... (2008y10m)

[mushh]

im truly soryyyyyyyy, sooner or later vista is better than xp, if you have the right hardware and requirement you won't be saying vista is slow, well just stick with xp if ur using old SLOW computers, and use vista if u have FAST computer, its simple.. you won't be having that much problem for driver if your hardware are the the new ones....so to those having slow pc STICK with your XP....its up to you guys to decide....

[_Joule_]

I definitely go with XP. As far as I've seen, Vista is slow and it doesn't have so many better features than XP. I'm using XP in my own laptop but for the time being, I'm using my friend's which has Vista and it's definitely a pain. I guess I'm gonna stick with XP until a better version than Vista is released and as far as I know, Microsoft has been working on a new version since people aren't quite satisfied with Vista.

[wpeckham]

Mushh: You appear to agree with Duesco. I cannot understand how you can think Vista better after reading just a few of the horror stories, but I do respect your opinion. I assume that your opinions are based upon your direct experiences.
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I would like to disabuse you of the notion that the performance issues reported are universally related to the power of the machine.
I had the fasted desktop in the company with dual fast AMD dual core processors, EN7300GS video, 4 Gig fast Ram, BIG Fast SATA drives (2), well assembled with Vista-64bit Business/Enterprise operation in mind using MS certified 64-bit drivers. When it ran well it ripped.
But:
The longer it ran the slower it ran. I also noticed that every time I mounted another network drive (and we needed 5 for normal corporate operation, two more if you did development) things got very strange. It would run very fast for a bit, then freeze for 100 to 200 seconds, then run fine for a bit, not in a regular or predictable pattern.

XP Business 64-bit did not have this behavior, even when loaded with MS-Office 2003, upgraded to 2007, and running a much heavier application load!
Debian did not have this behavior.
UBUNTU does not have this behavior.
FreeDos did not have this behavior.
ReactOS did not have this behavior.
Fedora-9 did not have this behavior.

I tried running ALL of the free OS versions virtually on top of XP, and they each outperformed vista when they were all running AT THE SAME TIME!

If the problem were the hardware, running multiple virtuals on top of XP could not have come close the matching the speed of Vista alone. There are clearly issues with Vista on fast hardware that XP does not exhibit.

Eventually we needed a Vista station for application testing, so I 'volunteered' it and got a much slower laptop that (running XP) outperformed the better hardware running Vista. (From the same company BTW, they make good hardware!)

I am glad that you have not run into any of the issues with Vista, and hope that your luck holds.

[bygremlin]

well since i have had both versions for as long as they've been available i can say that Vista is technically better than XP to myself..i haven't had as many issues with vista as most but i have PC or upgrade every year or so to me it doesn't matter pro vs ultimate, business, home, basic or premium versions...its still the same... and for anyone to comment on the fact that PC hardware doesn't play a part in the results are only fooling themselves..its like using a P4 and dual core cpu...they will use the resources differently....but Vista still have have a lot of problems.. just like XP did following its release and even after sp1..and lets not start with the 64bit versions..they came with XP pro 64bit(with no support) and its worse than finding the drivers for Vista 64bit(had little to no support) at the start(it's all about the money, the people said give me xp 64bit and that's what they got)....my problem is MS is just making money of every new PC that have windows...now we have Windows 7 which should probably just be another vista service pack instead of a new O.S. but it is what it is.
p.s.
users need to learn to turn off features that they don't need more than anything..it would really help a lot, have fun.

[XZNER0]

I would have to say XP But only because Vista crashes to much for me to like it

[JEMF0X]

I started to use Vista a little bit the other day. I admit that I didn't really get too far into it.

I still didn't like it, though. I can't imagine why Microsoft had to screw with everything so much. All they had to do was upgrade the performance and graphics of XP, they didn't have to change the programs so much.

[Purple Angel]

Though I have Vista on my computer I would prefer XP, why? Because it seems basically the same as Vista, Vista has some extra stuff that isn't neccesary in my opnion. I had a whole bunch of PC games, tried them on Vista and since some are just that little bt old they won't work anymore :glare:
Vista is just a bit too much, XP was not to complicated at all - it was all I needed.
I've heard stories of Vista crashing but that hasn't happened to me... yet.
But yeh, there's my reason why I voted XP :D

[wother]

both Vista and XP are propriatary bull crap (sorry for the harsh language) software is like sex, it is best when it is free, and not stolen.

[muaan]

I would say vista.Because Vista is more stabalized and then xp.If you use a few tweaks you can make vista really fast.Like i did.I have xp on my desktop and vista on my laptop.Vista is certainly faster if you turn some features off.Vista is also more secure.Hope this helps

[ichigo745]

My vote Goes to Xp. Because it is Lighter Then Vista. and Easy To Use.

[juozas]

I should say all the way for XP becouse i think Vista is a big resource hog... Anyway for XP you nead lower specs pc and with specs matching Vista you can do more with XP.

Anything more, there's a lot of incompatibilities on some sort of software, games, drivers, etc. By the way, XP wins from that point.

[bleacholic]

I vote for vista...
because I think vista is elegant and more feature than XP...

[silverTwins]

well if u go performance wise.. xp is way faster than vista.. bt u cant ignore the fact that vista is here to stay and xp will be phased out slowly... also another fact is that vista is far more secure than xp... it has loopholes no doubt but dont all s/w have loopholes?

if u r really paranoid about safety and the like then i will say "stay away frm both xp and vista" and use linux :) me being a linux junkie hate both xp and vista.... bt given a choice i wud go for vista...

[jimrobins]

I am much contented to Windows XP. With regards to performance and compatibility, XP passes while Vista fails. You can actually customize Windows XP's skin, themes and icons like of Vista, and viola! You are using Windows Vista running on Windows XP :D

[Zlander]

well if u go performance wise.. xp is way faster than vista...

i totally agree. Vista's far slower than XP, but it's better looking, if ya know what i mean:D

[meebuu]

i totally agree. Vista's far slower than XP, but it's better looking, if ya know what i mean:D
So do i :D Vista need more requirement than XP . & It's too easy to use XP for home user.

[wpeckham]

In reading over the (24 pages of) comments here it seem that most of the people who LIKE vista use it in a home or school environment. Some like the the looks, even when it forces them to just sit and look for a while.

Most who dislike or even HATE vista value speed and running applications over looks, or run it in a corporate environment.

Many of the comments seem independent of the requirement/resource usage issues.

I am arriving at a tentative conclusion that VISTA is fine as long as you do not plan to USE it for much. For a home environment it may be fine.

I will still stick with XP, Ubuntu, and Debian while I await the poll that will appear on release of Windows-7,

[Ikorose-Shinsou]

xp is much better than the vista:p i donnow y but everyone tell me so XD

[Mespritroth]

Vista is really slow compared to XP. And XP was easier to use. But now I have Vista, I miss XP...

[Zlander]

Anyone tried Windows7 ??
I've got it on my laptop, it's just like Windows Vista, the only difference is the toolbar and prosses speed.
*sighs* i wonder if Windows'll ever make a new XP, the same easiness but more beautiful..

[RawrImAZombie]

XP is by far so much better. i cant stand vista, and it annoys me that every new computer comes with vista

vistas memory usage is annoying and compared to XP vista takes up about 2 times the amount of HDD space.

[sniperwbs]

the Xp

is way better then the vista
cus

the vista is way different than the xp

we all used to use xp and vista is a whole new thing

okay maybe its from the same company

but Xp operating system is better i think

[Kureni]

I choose xp. I have xp on my desktop, and my mom has vista on her laptop, and I like the way xp works better.

[Viceroy]

Vista was a big mistake. I hate it so much! It's possibly the worst OS to deal with.

Plus, I can't run Star Wars:Knights of the Old Republic II on Windows Vista! Lame!

[fr0z3n]

I got Vista, and hate it, I'm currently using the Windows 98 theme, because the other one lags me like hell.

Vista eats away 1gig of ram on graphics itself.

I wish I had XP again, that was so much better.

Windows 7 already, so unneccecary. They've barely even had XP out of 3 years, if I'm right.

[Pianotwice]

Vista is so much better than XP, 'cause Vista has a lot of things that XP do not... Now... why everybody do not want to use Vista? The reason is simple: Vista is a software so avanced that every software... like microsoft... i don't know... all the software... they should be had renewed with new capacities, that when Vista had appeared, the another ones do not had...

Sorry 4 my english, is not very good looking....

[harmindersingh]

hello guys,
i would like to say XP is better than Vista because it is easy to use...........:confused::confused: