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nightwish
10-29-2007, 01:13 AM
Lets talk about CPUs.

#1. As of "Netburst", MHz and GHz no longer pertain to a CPU's power, scaling of MHz/GHz at the this time period is/was a marketing ploy. Do not ever buy a CPU based soely on its MHz/GHz number.

While a bigger number might be more attractive, it may not do the job as well. Think of it in this way, a 3.4GHz Pentium D CPU is a sports car. Fast, but cant carry many people(2-4). An Athlon X2 is a sedan capable of getting up to highway speeds but can carry more people then a sports car(4-5). Now, think of the Core 2 Duo as a mini-van, slighlty slower then a sedan but can carry a few more people.(6-7).
Only durring VERY long trips will the Pentium D win, since it can travel fastest, however, durring the average use of a PC both other types will beat it out. With the Core based CPU's (Conroe) coming out on top 90% of the time.

This is also known as "Instruction-Per-Clock" or IPC. The higher the IPC, the better.

*Notes.*
1. A 2Ghz Core 2 Duo does not equal 4GHz, it is 2GHz, but it is two proccessor cores, allowing it to do more work at the same time then a single proccessor core. The same applies for Tri, Quad, Oct, etc... cored CPUs.

2. Cache size is also important, however the average user may or may not know the difference. *See 1.8GHz Pentium Dual-Core (1MB L2) vs. 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo (4MB L2 performance.*
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#2. Overclocking = more for less.
Overclocking, or the act of increseing the speed of the CPU through either jumpers on the motherboard, BIOS seetings(Tweaking) or GUI/CLI based apps within the OS shell.

Overclocking is one of the primary methods of incresing overall system performance, this entails incresing the GHz/MHz of a CPU above its normal operating frequency. Current K8 CPUs (Athlon64 and Athlon X2, Opteron and dual-core Opterons) are capable of running up to around 400-1GHz over their stock speeds. (Exluding the 6000+, 6200+ and 6400+ which are near the limit of the K8 architecture.).
Current Conore CPUs (Celeron L, Pentium Dual-Core, Core 2 Duo (Allendale/Conroe), Core 2 Quad and Core 2 Extreme are capable of 500-1500MHz increcements.
Current NetBurst CPUs (Pentium 4, Pentium D, Celeron L) are capable of hitting 5GHz from their ~3-3.6GHz stock, but still arent as powerfull as the K8 or Conroe cores.

When overclocking it is important to select a good motherboard and RAM as well as a good after-market CPU cooler (Zalman, ZeroTherm, Thermalright, etc...) additinal cooling for the RAM DIMMs (sticks) and the NB/SB chips might be needed as well or by user preference.

Remember, overclocking is not garenteed. Expecialy on Quad/Tri core CPUs.

"Extreme" and "Black" edition CPUs are CPUs with an Unlocked Multiplier. The Multiplier x FSB/HT = CPU MHz/GHz. These CPUs are easyer to overclock then non Extreme/Black versions but are more expensive becous of it.

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#3. Four cores are better then two!

Wrong, While Four cores might be better in some tasks, most tasks still appreciate higher-clocked dual-core CPU's over quad-cores. Very few applications or games can use all four cores, or even two cores and the cores not assigned anywork sit and waste power. Quad cores also generate much more heat and use alot more power then dual-cores and most people that use them in a home enviroment to even have the need for them. Do not let the "More is better" adage get into your head.

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#4. Budget, Mainstreme, Performance, Ultimate.(K8 and Conroe): (Socket AM2 (AMD) and Socket LGA775 and Socket LGA771 (Intel)

Budget: $0-120 (Sempron, Athlon64, Athlon X2, Celeron L, Pentium Dual-Core, Core 2 Duo (Allendale)

Mainstreme: 121-250 (Athlon X2, Opteron,Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Xeon(775/771)

Performance: 251-500 (Athlon X2, Opteron,Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Xeon(775/771)

Ultimate: 500+ (Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Extreme)

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#5. Athlon X2 = Opteron, Core 2 Duo = Xeon
Opteron and Xeon CPUs are normal Athlons and Core 2 CPUs that have been tested for stability in a high-stress enviroment (sever rooms, large work loads, etc...) Thes CPUs are commonly belived to be better performers or overclockers; this is untrue, the performance is the same, however the overclockability may actualy be less then the chips not tested and named Athlon/Core 2 respectivly.

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#6. Intel and AMD dont have it all and may be to much.

For the average internet browser, grandma or person looking for a cheap file server, the prospect of paying for the energy used by expensive CPU's can be a huge turnoff. Several other companies also make CPUs for computers, the biggest and most well known besides AMD and Intel is VIA.
People looking for low-power sollutions should consider using a VIA C7 CPU (Single core, 900-2000MHz) but have very low power requriements. Not all CPUs should be electron eating monstrosities.

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#+ more to come. to bored to continue atm.

(I am a VIA, Muskin, Intel, DFI, ZeroTherm, WD, AMD, PC&C, nVidia, ATI, Wintec, Lite-On, Seagate, Hitachi, Acer, Toshiba, Lenovo, IBM, Fujitsu, Team Group, CoolerMaster, Zalman, AC, Biostar, Foxconn, Hiper, Silverstone, FSP, Enermax, SeaSonic, Sparkle, Diamond, Galaxy, Palit, Albatron, Gainward, X-Micro, Abit, VooDoo, etc... - Fanboy.)

spaxxor
10-29-2007, 01:40 AM
lololol yea that's new processors in a nutshell.... you forgot one major issue



DO NOT PUT A CORE 2 DUO OF ANY KIND IN A LAPTOP!!!!

other than that it's spot on, and I've lived in the past for the last 6 and a half years sitting on an intel pentium 4 2ghz until a year ago when it finally died ^^; I have a laptop now with a 1.5 Ghz core 2 duo, with 4 gigs of ram, and an nvidia 8400gs m (don't quote me on that one... I do kno that it's an 8400 m)

nightwish
10-29-2007, 01:44 AM
lololol yea that's new processors in a nutshell.... you forgot one major issue



DO NOT PUT A CORE 2 DUO OF ANY KIND IN A LAPTOP!!!!

other than that it's spot on, and I've lived in the past for the last 6 and a half years sitting on an intel pentium 4 2ghz until a year ago when it finally died ^^; I have a laptop now with a 1.5 Ghz core 2 duo, with 4 gigs of ram, and an nvidia 8400gs m (don't quote me on that one... I do kno that it's an 8400 m)


Um. howabout, YES, Core 2s in laptops = godleh.

Let me illistrate for you.

Pentium 3 archatecture turned into the Pentium M/Celeron M for laptops, that evolved into the Core Duo, which evolved into the Core 2 Duo, which then turned into the core 2 duo for desktops.

mobile Core 2s use the same ammount of power as a Core Duo but perform ~5-15% better. (clock for clock)
I would also like to point out that my current 1.6GHz Pentium Dual-Core laptop (A Core 2 Duo with 1MB L2) performs several times faster then my old laptop, and better battery life, with a smaller battery. (Old lapy was Sempron 1.8ghz with "high" capacity 5cell battery. My new laptop uses a normal 4-cell, and gets 2-3 hours, over my old laptops 1-1.5 hours.

Core 2s in a laptop=good idea.

spaxxor
10-29-2007, 01:52 AM
Um. howabout, YES, Core 2s in laptops = godleh.

Let me illistrate for you.

Pentium 3 archatecture turned into the Pentium M/Celeron M for laptops, that evolved into the Core Duo, which evolved into the Core 2 Duo, which then turned into the core 2 duo for desktops.

mobile Core 2s use the same ammount of power as a Core Duo but perform ~5-15% better. (clock for clock)
I would also like to point out that my current 1.6GHz Pentium Dual-Core laptop (A Core 2 Duo with 1MB L2) performs several times faster then my old laptop, and better battery life, with a smaller battery. (Old lapy was Sempron 1.8ghz with "high" capacity 5cell battery. My new laptop uses a normal 4-cell, and gets 2-3 hours, over my old laptops 1-1.5 hours.

Core 2s in a laptop=good idea.

except that if the fact that I did not have an inhuman tolerance for both the weather (hot and cold in both extremes) and pain, I'd be running around like a doofus because my laptop is melting my legs right off from the heat (something that laptops shouldn't do)


*edit*

even though it is a disgrace that I have windows vista on my laptop (and can't do anything about it until the warrenty runs out) my comp would be destroying all the desktops on my floor (key word desktops) I also have leik zero battery life, I can squeeze leik 4 hours out of a 12 cell batter, but I think that is vista's fault

nightwish
10-29-2007, 02:14 AM
Just becouse your laptop is frying your testicles, does not make it the CPU's fault. It could be the hard drive, GPU, an inefficent cooling system or a few other things. My laptop is silent and barely gets warm in the cpu area. The hard drive is usualy what heats up most laptops since its spinning, generates heat and is a tight enclosed space.

And yes, Vista is not very friendly towards laptops, I know that one already (I poped in Xp Pro in mine and removed vista. battery life shot through the roof.)

However, by itself, a mobile CPU based on either K8 or Core architecture should produce very little heat compared to other devices within the laptop.

what brand/model laptop is it?

spaxxor
10-29-2007, 02:26 AM
Just becouse your laptop is frying your testicles, does not make it the CPU's fault. It could be the hard drive, GPU, an inefficent cooling system or a few other things. My laptop is silent and barely gets warm in the cpu area. The hard drive is usualy what heats up most laptops since its spinning, generates heat and is a tight enclosed space.

And yes, Vista is not very friendly towards laptops, I know that one already (I poped in Xp Pro in mine and removed vista. battery life shot through the roof.)

However, by itself, a mobile CPU based on either K8 or Core architecture should produce very little heat compared to other devices within the laptop.

what brand/model laptop is it?

it's an hp, with 4 gigs of ddr2 ram, the hdd, is not much of a problem, the cpu is literally burning my left leg off from the knee down (I'm doing laundry in my dorm and they have public washers and dryers) the cpu is just to the left of the cancerously huge battery I have on it and when the warrenty runs out on this beast I'm gonna take off vista, and put xp on it dual booting to ubuntu maybe.

nightwish
10-29-2007, 02:30 AM
Like I said, the CPU may not be your problem.
Your HD, battery, RAM or GPU could be the problem.
Also, unless you specifiy the model number (name/model #) I cant go find anything out about it.

p.s. Try an XP/DSL boot. I find it the best, XP handles just about everything while DSL is there for a quick boot for surfing, email, typing, etc.. (then agian, I use DSL for just about everything that I dont need xp to run (windows only apps suck.)


...sigh, messy topic.

*lops off your head.*

joe4ever86
10-29-2007, 02:31 AM
Just becouse your laptop is frying your testicles, does not make it the CPU's fault. It could be the hard drive, GPU, an inefficent cooling system or a few other things. My laptop is silent and barely gets warm in the cpu area. The hard drive is usualy what heats up most laptops since its spinning, generates heat and is a tight enclosed space.

And yes, Vista is not very friendly towards laptops, I know that one already (I poped in Xp Pro in mine and removed vista. battery life shot through the roof.)

However, by itself, a mobile CPU based on either K8 or Core architecture should produce very little heat compared to other devices within the laptop.

what brand/model laptop is it?

Im also having a problem with my battery because it dies so fast. So i should install XP pro and remove vista so that i can have more battery life?

nightwish
10-29-2007, 02:33 AM
I would strongly suggest it.

Or you could try turning off any unessasary services (90% of them), to use less RAM and less CPU ussage (less power usuage). But XP will give you better battery life (95% certian.)

spaxxor
10-29-2007, 02:54 AM
Like I said, the CPU may not be your problem.
Your HD, battery, RAM or GPU could be the problem.
Also, unless you specifiy the model number (name/model #) I cant go find anything out about it.

p.s. Try an XP/DSL boot. I find it the best, XP handles just about everything while DSL is there for a quick boot for surfing, email, typing, etc.. (then agian, I use DSL for just about everything that I dont need xp to run (windows only apps suck.)


...sigh, messy topic.

*lops off your head.*

actually no, it's vista.... in essence vista is as fast as it is, because it's running a lot of stuff in the background... xp is not like that (er too much)

I also can squeeze just about every drop of functionality out of xp, boot goes like stink, and it's optimized, I mentioned linux because *cough*hack*cough* I secure networks and break stuff for money. otherwise known as a white hat's buissness

nightwish
10-29-2007, 03:04 AM
Vista sucks anyway you look at it and no one should use it, ever. EVER.

My Xp Pro boots under 30 seconds in my desktop and 60 seconds for laptop.

14 processes/19 respectivly. (with deactivated WgaTray.exe :D )


wait.

Get back on topic or im going to slice off one of your ears.

joe4ever86
10-29-2007, 03:07 AM
I only use my laptop for homework (ergo word documents), surfing the web, and sometimes listening to music. I use my desktop with ATI Radeon Chipset motherboard and ATI Radeon 9850 pro for PC games and watching bleach episodes. So far i only trust HP and Compaq computers

Desktop-Hewaldt Packard 2.0 GHZ Intel Celeron
Laptop- Compaq 1.8 GHZ AMD Sempron with Nvidia Geforce 6150 Purevideo

nightwish
10-29-2007, 03:21 AM
Wrong thread.

*Slaps hand over face, Shakes head.*


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