Why Aizen is not in a league of his own

[Ralavik]

Nor anyone of villainy in the series Bleach.

I hear a lot about how Aizen is supposedly someone of strong skill, but the mere fact is, he is no stronger than the lowliest of soul reapers. His abilities are a joke, his aspirations a joke, he himself, is a joke.

"But he can lay out, like, four captains at once without even using his Bankai!!!!" Yeah, but the pure and simple fact is, it doesn't matter if his Bankai has the ability to destroy the universe to be recreated in his image - he'll never use it.

I'll keep it short; no one good ever dies in Bleach (I'm sure that's a shock to most of you). So, why do I keep hearing about how the bad guys are somehow strong? They literally can't kill anyone! I mean, look at issue 393 where Aizen defeats the four captains (or however many). He says - "Just lie helplessly on the ground." That was clearly put in to assuage the fears of many credulous fans that may have believed he has actually killed someone! We can't have that now! In all seriousness though, that's a pretty silly statement to make. It happens a lot in this series, as well as silly actions. For instance, when Byakuya could have easily killed Ichigo when coming after Rukia to take her back to Soul Society, but states something about it being beneath him. I'm sure.

Verisimilitude is thrown out the window for tendentious fan service. Of course the good guys are supposed to win in the end, but that is not the point. The point is is that by doing it this way (where no one dies, but everything always turns out okay because they can all heal and be just like new again) the story becomes even more cliche (if that is even possibly).

Don't get me wrong, I like Bleach (mostly for the characters and the creative abilities), but the cliches and the predictability in the story are god awful. I mean, how many times will the good guys be saved "just in the nick of time", by someone who comes to their rescue? It's shameless Dues ex machina. Hilariously, the series just did a 'double-whammy' of this very issue. When Ichigo was fighting Grimmjow in Karakura Town he is first saved (before a Cero is blast in his face) by Rukia. Then, when Rukia is in danger, she is saved by Shinji, just in time! I mean, wow, talk about a coincidence!

Anyway, silly rant off, I don't really care that much even though I made it seem so; I'm just amused is all. Flame away.

[dordoniz]

I hear a lot about how Aizen is supposedly someone of strong skill, but the mere fact is, he is no stronger than the lowliest of soul reapers. .

I've never seen any of those "lowliest" soul reapers ever put Aizen in a pinch and that pretty much speaks for itself doesnt it?

His abilities are a joke,

He beat 5 captains to the ground with minimal effort and that comes from the manga, that also doesnt qualify as being a joke, does it?

his aspirations a joke,he himself, is a joke

He wants to become the strongest being around and rule over everyone else, i dont get what u mean by "his aspirations are a joke" here

I'll keep it short; no one good ever dies in Bleach (I'm sure that's a shock to most of you).

I'm with you that some good guys need to die

So, why do I keep hearing about how the bad guys are somehow strong

Because the real villains are strong, only one of them's down and he even lost with the use of plotkai

They literally can't kill anyone!

Cause the good guys have Unohana who can heal anything and the hax healer Orihime who theoritically can bring the dead back to life

I mean, look at issue 393 where Aizen defeats the four captains (or however many). He says - "Just lie helplessly on the ground." That was clearly put in to assuage the fears of many credulous fans that may have believed he has actually killed someone! We can't have that now! In all seriousness though, that's a pretty silly statement to make

Plotkai, Aizen should've demolished half of the Gotei right there, but i guess the series is far from ending

It happens a lot in this series, as well as silly actions. For instance, when Byakuya could have easily killed Ichigo when coming after Rukia to take her back to Soul Society, but states something about it being beneath him. I'm sure.

I agree with this

Verisimilitude is thrown out the window for tendentious fan service. Of course the good guys are supposed to win in the end, but that is not the point. The point is is that by doing it this way (where no one dies, but everything always turns out okay because they can all heal and be just like new again) the story becomes even more cliche (if that is even possibly).

I agree with this as well

Don't get me wrong, I like Bleach (mostly for the characters and the creative abilities), but the cliches and the predictability in the story are god awful. I mean, how many times will the good guys be saved "just in the nick of time", by someone who comes to their rescue? It's shameless Dues ex machina. Hilariously, the series just did a 'double-whammy' of this very issue. When Ichigo was fighting Grimmjow in Karakura Town he is first saved (before a Cero is blast in his face) by Rukia. Then, when Rukia is in danger, she is saved by Shinji, just in time! I mean, wow, talk about a coincidence!

Indeed, all this time i've been reading-watching bleach it never made me go or gets kinda boring to be honest, well, at least the fights are good cuz the story and the way it unfolds, sux

[Ralavik]

You seem to misunderstand me, and are cherrypicking what I said with no backing of context. I mean, that since no one good guy in Bleach will die, it is therefore the same that no one can die. How can Aizen be more powerful than those he cannot kill, when the good guys have laid waste to his army? Aizen, needless to say, will be defeated with no permanent repercussions to anyone.

Someone who can kill, against someone who can't, automatically means the person who kills can, and eventually will, win out in the end because there is no danger, while there is to Aizen. Therefore his power is a mere posturing; a great charade (kind of funny, given his hypnosis power). The only true power he has is his ability to stay alive the longest.

And they all lived happily ever after.

[dittyfordaddy]

Thats like saying if I don't type:

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

into this computer right now, the internet will explode.

The Simpsons said it best:

LISA "This is a rock that prevents tiger attacks"
HOMER "Oh yeah, how does it work?"
LISA "It doesn't, its just a plain ol' rock...... but I don't see any Tigers around...."
HOMER "..........Lisa, I would like to buy your rock!"

The Logic that, or any Villain isn't a threat because they don't kill someone doesn't mean they arn't powerful.

[dordoniz]

I mean, that since no one good guy in Bleach will die, it is therefore the same that no one can die

Many characters would've died, in many different occasions(Hiyori for example), it's just that Kubo doesnt feel like letting them go, it's called, plot

How can Aizen be more powerful than those he cannot kill

So he's weaker than them, yet he's beating the hell out of them?

when the good guys have laid waste to his army

His army was indeed weak, he even said so himself, but his army isnt Aizen himself

Someone who can kill, against someone who can't, automatically means the person who kills can, and eventually will, win out in the end because there is no danger, while there is to Aizen

So going by what you're saying, since the captains can kill and Aizen cannot and that makes the person who can kill automatically the winner, why arent the captains "winning" against Aizen?

Therefore his power is a mere posturing; a great charade (kind of funny, given his hypnosis power). The only true power he has is his ability to stay alive the longest.

If that was the case, he wouldnt be able to pull off the things he's done against the captains

[Ralavik]

Originally Posted by dittyfordaddy

Thats like saying if I don't type:

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

into this computer right now, the internet will explode.

Not quite the same thing, as you are implying from a passive action will come a positive one. I'm saying, that despite all of Aizen's power, he has the ultimate weakness.

The Simpsons said it best:

LISA "This is a rock that prevents tiger attacks"
HOMER "Oh yeah, how does it work?"
LISA "It doesn't, its just a plain ol' rock...... but I don't see any Tigers around...."
HOMER "..........Lisa, I would like to buy your rock!"

The Logic that, or any Villain isn't a threat because they don't kill someone doesn't mean they arn't powerful.

If the tiger came about and didn't kill you (I'm assuming the tiger is a metaphor for Aizen), I would be more inclined to say the connection between that allegory and my preposition is valid. But this tiger is quite tame already. Besides, you're comparing apples and oranges, to a degree. In that, Bleach characters can get cut in half (mauled) but still survive, so what's the point of them being so anyway? They are immortal then. However, I can see the conventional thought that power equals domination. I should have put the caveat that he is ultimately powerless, philosophically speaking.

[Ceros]

Whats the point of making another thread about the good people not dying. I mean, we must have seen a dozen threads about this already in the past. I dont see any point to this thread which has been covered numerous times.

[dittyfordaddy]

But in a sense of philosophy, then any fictional villain that has ever been thwarted is powerless, since their creator/narator has already determined their doom. Regardless of whether they kill anyone or not, they are still defeated in the end, since the author is the master of destiny.

[Ralavik]

Yes, but the point is to hide that fact, thus the term predictability if you don't.

I mean, look at examples from cinema: Darth Vader in 'A New Hope' picks up Princess Leia's guard after he boarded the ship, and after he kills him, he then has the audacity to throw him into a column! I know now that this guy means business.

Or, when Simba's father tragically gets killed by Scar in "The Lion King." So sad.

Or, in "Fox and the Hound", while no one dies, it still wrenches the heart to see the fox and the hound have to part ways at the end. Touching.

What I'm trying to say is this: Disney movies were so much better in the past.

[dittyfordaddy]

While I agree that a death or two would make death more interesting (Its been discussed many times), the fact is that if Aizen achieves his goals, it won't matter whether anyone's dead or not. As you said, its just his fat ego that prevents him from finishing "lower beings".

He still wiped the floor with practically a dozen high level shinigami. He also decieved those who trusted him and shoved a sizable knife in their backs, sometimes literally. Pyscalogically, and Physically, he's defeating his enemies.That shows he means buisness.

As for the last one about Fox and the Hound, I don't see its relevance, but I'll agree it was sad. They don't make them like that any more (at least not very often). Just seeing them befriend in the innocence of their youth, then forced to appose eachother in later life. Some of it was quite depressing.

N E way, on topic, I still think that within the story, and from a writing perspective, Aizen is clearly very powerful. A death would be nice, very nice, but not nessisary.